Leakage from SL -> Teen Grid

http://secondage.blogsome.com/2005/06/28/tringo/

SL Teen Grid forum entry about Tringo.

Gee, I'd love to know how Tringo was transferred from the main grid to the teen grid.

Is this proof we already have leakage of SL content to the teen grid? As far as I know Robin Linden had said that LL is looking for ways to add content to the teen grid, but nothing was ever official.

Oh, and I'd ALSO love to know why a teen gridder has access to the main grid forum.

Perhaps someone who was in the main grid had a tringo board, admited to the lindens they were a minor, got sent to the teen grid, then set up their board? Thats a lot of "maybe", but it is possible. I do think this smells a bit fishy though. Does the creator of Tringo know anything about his game being in another grid? Was it with his consent? Is he making linden dollars from it? Lots of questions to be answered, I think. Maybe a linden as well as Kermit can chime in here.

I think I was more surprised by a Teen Gridder having a coherent and interesting blog than I was about the Tringo part...

Edit: Perhaps there is hope for the future...

I'm thinking how else could the teen grid know how tringo works in sl. I sure don't like the idea of anyone underage in sl...to much problems could come from that ..shakes head.

Cid, I would not be surprised if there were a legitimate reason why Tringo is on the Teen Grid. If so, I would ask "Why has Tringo been allowed on the Teen Grid and not other user content?"

Then there's the idea that it could be copyright violation.

Then there's the idea that someone could have somehow snuck content over. (Since LL has said that the asset server system is the same, and it's basically security coding that prevents transfer of items.)

Maybe reading that blog post you would of noticed this:

I did read that, and:
(a) This is hearsay.
(b) I would like to know why Tringo was chosen, and not other candidate games / content.
(c) I would like to know the procedure for content creators to get their content to the teen grid.
(d) I have no idea what "Linden only game" means.

My son recently got access to the teen grid, and so by dint of looking over his shoulder, I also know a little about it .

At least two of the players he has met were originally on the adult grid. Apparently, when they heard about the teen grid, they outed themselves to the Lindens in the hope of getting early access to the teen grid. It may be one of those who has the Tringo.

There are few builds and no money in the teen grid at present, so don't begrudge them the few things they do have. Some people on the main grid have sent items to the teen grid, others have given specific permission for teens to copy or sell their items. So there could be many ways in which Tringo has transferred to the teen grid.

Creator were asked to hand over items with full permissions for use in the teen grid.

As long as it was purchased honestly, and retains its permissions, I can't think that its creator would have a problem with it being in the teen grid. They will be nicely addicted by the time they arrive in the adult grid at 18.

As for being surprised by the readable blog...it never ceases to amaze me that people on this forum treat and talk about teenagers as though they were a race apart. I know a lot of teenagers in SL who are a delight - they are creative, articulate, kind, generous, and everything an SL player on EITHER grid should be.

On the other hand I have met some petulant, whinging, pompous and patronising adults...but mainly the people of all ages in SL are very nice, generous, open and intelligent.

I think it would be great if we stopped the ageism and just accepted that there are people who are a positive experience and people who aren't, and their age has little to do with it.
Cali

Elsewhere they also mention that they have their own forum...

Panic over?

Hiro, I guess I feel you're making a little much out of this. Sounds like Deanna Linden has a Tringo board and they're running a tringo event once a week. Tringo's popular, so why not let the teen grid play the most popular game in Second Life once a week, under the control of a Linden, which is what appears to be happening.

As for (c), I think this really gives the biggest clue as to why you're causing a fuss over this and making more out of it than there is.

By that theory, content went from Main Grid from Teen Grid. Was this content regulated? I would doubt a Linden would comb through an inventory. It's also doubtful since as I understand players in the teen grid needed to start new accounts (which means blank inventory.) Add that to the "Deana Linden" comment and I don't really think this is the case.


On the contrary, myself and other content creators would love to be able to provide PG rated content to teens.


Yes? How do you know this? If this is true, then:
(a) How are transfers done? As I understand, there are blocks in place.
(b) Why hasn't content transfer be made available (via specific criteria) to all content creators equally and fairly?

I'm concerned about:
(a) The Teen Grid's ability to succeed. Safety holes and/or Unregulated content have the potential for lawsuits by angry parents = problems.
(b) Fairness to content creators in the main grid. Since "the floodgates are open" and no special invites are required to join the teen grid (other than age), I would think there should be a fair policy for any content transfer between Main grid and Teen grid.

@ Moopf:
Quite possible, I agree. Could you perhaps take a stab at my (b) comment, then? Why Tringo and not one of the other countless PG games in SL main grid?

Irrelevant. Them having their own forum does not matter. I am concerned that they have access to our (M-rated) forum.

I know this because I read the forums, talk to people in world etc. I don't have any special access to information that isn't available to you. I saw the appeals for content creators to DONATE content to the teen grid. It had to be content which one was happy to see returning with teen grid people migrating to the adult grid at a later date.

a) The Lindens appealed for people to donate items in the weeks coming up to the start of the teen grid testing. There was information on the forum too.

Other items can be transferred by dint of a creator sending scripts via a text editor to someone on the teen grid. Obviously. Or they may be transferred because the creator of the item is actually a teen who is now on the teen grid.

In the case of the Tringo board it appears from comments above that one of the Lindens in world happens to have a copy of it in her inventory. Or would you like all the Lindens frisked for their inventory too?

b) It has. If you care to donate items from your range, I am sure the Lindens will be pleased to put them out for the people on the teen grid.

If you are looking towards commercial exploitation of the teen grid, forget it.
Cali

I think I already have taken a stab at that. Tringo is popular, Deanna Linden had a copy, badda-bing, they run a Tringo event on the teen grid. Kind of simple really.

I'm a forum regular and I saw no sign of this. Do you have links?


Sure. This is a concern I've raised with LL because players can easily post a text file on a website to copy and paste to notecard on the teen grid, then run a script as you cited. -- Transfer of items from main to teen grid without any sort of Linden filter.


Sure, though I doubt Kermitt is < 18


Frisk? Lindens?

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*shunning bad thoughts from my mind*

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Okay, seriously... this goes to my concern of how are items endorsed by LL chosen? How can content creators in the main grid be given a decently fair shake at providing content to the teen grid?


Well, that's good to know. I'm just very surprised that this is the first I've heard of it.


If you are looking towards nasty and unwarranted comments in the forum, well... looks like you've just done so. =( There was no reason to get accusatory with me like that.

Yeah Hiro you're making this a bit too much. And about that comment that you state you'd love to put PG items in the teen-grid. Why? Get a foothold on new territory?

Here's an idea: Why don't you let THEM create their own world.

I honestly fail to see what you are all whinging about. A Linden brings a copy of Tringo, a rather popular game to our teen residents and you complain? As it is they hardly have any content to begin with (or, so I've been told). I too would like to see some content creators get together and make a content kit (PG of course) for the Teengrid under Linden watch and have one of them import it over to the TG as freebie items.

That's sort of my point, Moopf. Why shouldn't lesser known game creators be given the same chance? As Caliandris pointed out, they may be addicted to Tringo (and not other games) when they reach the age for the main grid.

I don't think Linden Lab should be in the business of promoting specific content creators over others.

For instance, in Live Help, when asked where to buy L$, I don't even recommend GOM without mentioning IGE, even though I think GOM is a vastly superior service. Should I find out about other money services, I'll mention them too. We are also encouraged in Live Help not to specifically recommend someone's product or service, but to help residents use tools to help find what they are looking for. (i.e. teach them how to search for shoe shops, rather than recommending a friend's prim-shoe business)

I'm sure Deana had good intentions and such, but if Tringo is on there, that's basically free advertising given to Kermitt. If LL has purchased rights to Tringo, that may be another story entirely, but if not, Bingo / Slingo / Mingo / Ringo / Wingo should be at the very least considered to be made available on the teen grid - since it's not limited to specific invite.

They aren't if items are leaking in. You defeat your own argument.


Please refer to my previous post on favoritism, which I was writing as you posted this.


That'd be cool.

edit: comments withdrawn in response to other peoples' comments being withdrawn

Wow, take some pills, turn on some relaxation music, something. This isn't an alt. It's my main for 2 years. Go ahead and file an abuse report.

If you cannot accept criticism for your ideas then you SHOULD NOT post on forums. End of story.

I didn't mention you by name. I've withdrawn that as the person I was referring to has withdrawn his/her attack. No skin off my teeth.

I accept criticism, but I don't accept personal attacks.

Hiro, you're really out on a limb here I'm afraid. No doubt Deanna Linden decided to do it to liven up what people can do on the teen grid, that's all, with something she had in her inventory, something that she thought they might enjoy because it's been so popular. I have to say you are coming across as being jealous - that's the only word I can use to explain your way over the top comments.

I'm not sure what opportunities you think you're missing out on, or what your intentions would be should you be allowed to transfer your items to the teen grid, but this smacks to me of throwing a tantrum because somebody else's stuff is being used on the teen grid.

And do get off your high horse about abuse reporting people for "slanderous" attacks. You haven't actually said anything that would make me discount that you're after using the teen grid as an extra market for your products. It matters not that you're arguing for all content creators, the accusation was that you want in on the teen grid to make some money - you haven't refuted that and it's hardly slanderous.

Sure, and in introducing the teen grid, that's perfectly acceptable. Now, the teen grid is open enrollment, so things should look toward expanding content there.


Considering I sell weapons (not PG) and PoseCubes (not games, and due out as open source this Fall), I don't see how.


There's nothing over the top about wanting to allow fairness for content developers.

If you do, perhaps there is something to the FIC *chuckles*


Again, consider what I sell. I don't see Hiringo or Pendretris or anything of the sort that I could really market on the kiddie grid.

(EDIT: see comments below - thank you for clarifying, Moopf)

You love quoting things out of context don't you. The high horse statement was about saying you'd abuse report the slanderous attacks, nothing to do with the issue you've raised. Your response ignores that context.

If you could please, try and think about the ridiculousness of your statements before you make them, I think it would help as well.

This is interesting stuff, to say the least.

Although I can understand the viewpoints presented by posters on both sides of the debate in this thread, I think y'all are overlooking something here:

Isn't Tringo a form of gambling?

As a parent, I would be most concerned about this indoctrination of minors into the fast-paced world of addictive gambling. Even the person who wrote the blog entry alluded to 'Tringo-zombies'.

I've not played Tringo, nor do I really care to. I've looked at it before, but for the life of me cannot understand how to play it. I'm only an engineer in RL so I am fairly stupid, but I am wise enough not to play a game that you do not know the rules.

There are enough weak-willed junkies on the main grid to line the pockets of the creator and hosts with Lindens. I would like to see a response from Linden Lab as to why they thought this was a good idea.

Perhaps genatalia, sex balls, and escorts will be coming to the grid soon too?

Don't get me wrong - if Tringo is not gambling, I'd love to see a coherent explanation of it here. And I am not slamming the game, its creator, or the casinos on the adult grid as I feel these things should exist amongst those old enough to make their own choices.