Are you looking forward to Forum reforms?

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You make me almost forget
That you are my cousin

Due to limitations of spoken language, some things can not be explained and instead must be lived. This forum is clearly one of those things

You're welcome.

Goodness, you guys have been having a field day in this thread since last I left.

I will get around to posting the poll when I get around to it.

Catherine's threads get closed because you see to it they get closed.

Enabran, you write like a scandal sheet. "Threatening" - you used that term twice. All these sensationalist terms for what is really a simple thing.

As for the ridicule, from you, from Jauni, etc., I'm fairly impervious to it, as well I should be, from young guys the likes of you. As for the forum reforms, I will be putting them up, and it will be intended for the benefit of all of us.

Which is why, Eboni and Ingrid, I need not "start with myself." Forum rules affect us all. I wouldn't be any more protected from any rules than you or anyone else.

Now if I were to put forward, "Rules for How Eboni and Ingrid Should Act," then you could legitimately suggest I start with myself.

coco

Now, really, let's call a spade a spade. Isn't that more or less what you plan to do, whatever innocuous name you wish to call it?

I call my spade ratwhacker.

No, Enabran. One of the reforms is to get rid of that rule that would ban people from the game if they are banned from the forums. Getting rid of that rule would, in fact, help other people (not Ingrid or Eboni) a great deal more than it is likely to help me.

coco

Moved to Off-Topic.

Just to pick a nit: that's not a rule, it's a consequence. And I've no idea why you'd want to reduce the consequences for crappy behavior.

Because it's unnecessary and overkill. And not real logical.

coco

I'm thinking... penalty box. We could get Jeska a whistle and a ref outfit.

I do.

I submit that it is necessary. People can act like real cretins here. Once one of them loses out on the whole of the offering for being a jerk, I'm thinking many of those will reconsider their position on tomfoolery. And those who march merrily on are those I would not want in world anyway.
That strikes me as square-on and logical.

Well, OK, me too... My question was all about the benefit of the doubt.

More and more developers are moving toward this type of consequence. I think we should be asking why this is, not making uninformed judgements.

My personal thoughts are, that as the net grows, so too, does the amount of players who will behave extremely poorly in game forums. They figure out that they can act like a royal idiot or hypocrite and get away with it by doing it on the forums.

I'm sorry, access to the forums is part of a package you pay for when you sign up and pay monthly fees. If you exhibit atrocious behavior on one or the other; why should they only restrict you from one?

I would like to add once again, that this consequence has already been employed (Grimmy Moonflower, for one). This consequence already existed before they announced it. They own the forums and SL - they could boot you from both the forums and the game before. All they did was announce it. I see it as a behavior modification tool and nothing else.

Coco, I really wish you would stop using the existence of this consequence as some sort of weapon to try and scare people. It is simply the extreme end of the scale, and it could have been done at anytime. I do not understand how you think it's logical for LL to hamstring themselves. That's the effect that your wish to abolish this consequence would have. You would have them legislate themselves from being able to effectively deal with unforseen, extreme circumstances.

1. I'm not making uninformed judgments.

I'm not using the existance of this consequence as some sort of weapon to try and scare people, and have no idea why you would even conceptualize such a thing.

I also don't take your words and use them to come to faulty conclusions and ascribe faulty motivations to you.

2. Grimmy Moonflower also did objectionable things IN THE GAME.

3. Of course LL can do whatever they want. And of course I'm not trying to hamstring them or legislate for them.

I'm saying making it an official rule that if you are banned from the forums you are banned from the game is a bad and unnecessary idea.

Some of us have received warnings, either official or unofficial. Some of these people, for whatever reason, may just not be able to control themselves in the forums or adapt their behavior to what is required.

The Lindens might very well want them to leave the forums, yet not want for them to leave the game. But by having this rule, they give themselves even LESS leeway for using forum discipline, as a simple consideration of the consequence makes clear.

Let's say person A received a warning. Let's say that person then posted the same thing again. Let's say that person just couldn't quit. But let's say that person was ALSO a valuable asset to the game itself.

Would the Lindens want to force that person to quit the game? And lose not only the income from, but also the contributions to the game from, that individual?

By making this an official, unbending rule, they have hamstrung themselves. In the case of person A, above, they have backed themselves into a corner of having to choose either (a) bend over backwards to keep that person from accumulating enough warnings to warrant his/her banning from the forum, (b) ban them from the forums and thus from the game as well - even though they would prefer not to do this, or (c) toss out the rule.

For the benefit of all persons A, and for the benefit of the Lindens themselves, this rule - hastily conceived and only as a reaction to one individual case - needs to be abandoned.

coco

We are supposed to be adults here. If someone does not have enough self-control to stop a bad behavior after numerous warnings and suspensions (which yes several would come *before* they were banned), then I have to agree they deserved to be banned from the forums as well as the world. And I doubt anyone with that little self-control would be much of an asset to this world.

warning
warning
suspension
warning
suspension
suspension
suspension
letter stating "stop your jackassery or we may ban you from SL"
suspension
BAN!!!

only a complete idiot would not get the hint after a few suspensions.

anyway, stay on topic. this thread is a poll on your poll and associated discussion.

Long run back from the graveyard to your body, isn't it, Enabran? +6 shield of deflecting colorful sarcasm and +9 rogue garrote by marginalizing doesn't help much against forum-neutral warriors who have the Greater Eyesight of Been There, Done That, Seen That, Show Me Something New talent....

I don't believe for a moment Cocoanut's claim that y'all are camping on Catherine Cotton's corpse. And I don't believe for a moment that Cocoanut deserves this level of ridicule just because she's so bloody serious about forum reforms. How about we give it a rest and wait for what she proposes?

Synopsis

Those who are probably going to be the first to be held as examples of these new forum rules, may be the ones fighting hardest against any changes not even proposed yet.

What I hear some ppl saying is:

“I don’t care what you say, I don’t care what you say in the future, I’m already against anything you have to say without hearing a word you have to say. I will fight, ridicule and persecute you to the best by abilities because you feel you have a right to propose anything. I didn’t say you could speak, leave my forum‘s”

And you are?

Just another SL resident.

What’s the proposal?

If you get banned from the forums you don’t lose your SL account and everything that includes: Inventory, Land, Money, Account status.

Conclusion:

Willow and Kris kick ass!



Cat

You don't get the hit bonus when you use a quote.

but but!! Cat. I hear you say things like this all the time!

You need to bring back your fish slapping posts. I always honestly liked those.

Exactly right.

Anyone who claims to be unable to control themselves on the forums, yet doesn't act that way in world, is either lying about their forum-Tourettes, using it as a lame excuse to get away with whatever they damn well please, or is playing a game with the forums and acting out a persona.

The Forums are a part of Second Life. They are not a seperate entity that just happens to share the name and parent company. They are an extension of Second Life, and the rule treats them as such. If you don't want to lose both aspects of SL, don't act like a total jackass in either of them.

Do I have to tell you again? - deflect sarcasm & marginalizing spells will get you killed against my class of warrior.

Well met, Sir Kanahoe. But the Priests revive me so I may be slain on your blade once again.

easy dude. it's not ridicule. it's a poll about people interest/anticipation/apathy for an upcoming poll. we've heard about this poll for many weeks and have yet to see it. i was curious as to how the hype was working out for her.