Minors in SL having Sex. Is it ok?

LOL
Nolan - I wanna go 'dancin in the streets ' !!

I wanna play chicken on tractors now ffs

Played the preacher father in *Footloose*, a movie in which dancing was considered a sin.

SINNER!

*Fires up the IH Farmall*


Mine will do 12 mph. whatcha got rookie?

Nolan I dont think it would take much for a 40-50 year old to hop on that same plane you mention.

Cat

Nolan, you entirely miss the main point.

It's a legal nightmare for Linden Lab.

If Linden Lab were not to expressly forbid cybersex in kiddieSecondLife, then they would have to have some way to have accountability for every nuance of every state and country's statutory rape laws.

In-con-f***ing-ceivable.

Exactly Hiro!

Cat

I was referring to minor/minor sexual talk on the net. If that 40 or 50 year old does so and gets away with it, then that kid's parents are stupid. That would've never happened in the house I grew up in.

Oh..I remember him..John Lithgow..from "THE TWILIGHT ZONE"....the time is the future..virtual reality has become reality..there are no limitations..you have a Cyberbaby you never wanted...the female was a Minor..you cannot afford Cyberbaby child support..you off it..The Cyber Police come and lock you away for life in a Matrix of Cyberkillers in a Virtual Prison..then the authorities destroys your "hard"-drive.

Nolan personaly I am against it. Just a difference of option. In a perfect world I would say sure no harm in it, but we dont live in a perfect world. I have no way of knowing if my kid is talking to another teen or a pervert. I dont think LL can guarentee that either.

Cat

I am sure they will. Sigh. Let THEM wory about it without making rash generalizations about millions of people's private activities. They do have lawyers you know, and I am sure they have thought of this. I DID address this in a post to Cat a couple pages back. I said (paraphrazing) *Let LL deal with it.* No amount of derision towards net relationships in general is going to solve this.

As far as every state's laws goes, we have gambling in SL which is forbidden in most states, yet it still goes on. LL isn't being sued into non-existence over it. When the laws catch up to the net, then they might, but until then this is all just speculation.

In other words let's not worry about that which I am sure they have and will consider.

ROFL nice lawnmower!

Check my last post above ROFLMAO!!!

Thanks, Catherine.

Nolan, how would Linden Lab handle this? If they allowed cybersex, they would have a legal obligation to make sure it didn't happen against laws.

So, what?
Would then each avatar have to have age and location associated?
How would there be proof? Birth certificate and parents sending in an electric bill?
Linden Lab would verify, by hand, each and every one of them?
Would there be logic in the engine associated with checking each state and/or country's laws to see if two AVs could have cybersex?
And then, what? Would it pop up a box every time you meet an avatar, "WARNING! YOU MAY NOT HAVE CYBERSEX WITH THIS PERSON!"?
Would kids ignore that?
Would kids who have no interest in cybersex appreciate that?
Would you have a message filter that auto-filtered language when they talked depending on these laws?
Would you have a dedicated Linden Lab legal team to research all this crap and to continually check for updates?

No, obviously not.

Yes, kids are gonna try it anyway. But at least if Linden Lab expressly forbids it, and takes reasonable measures to prevent it (have a very readable warning to parents), they won't be culpable because they are simply providing a means of communication. And perhaps there will be some measure of deterrance if people are perma-banned for violating it.

Wait wait wait.

SL is billing itself, legally, as a common carrier.

Yahoo! probably bills itself as the same thing in their chat rooms, as well as AOL, and any number of IRC servers.

Do they get sued over minor/adult confrontations? Do they get shut down over illegal things happening on their servers?

I think not.

Ergo, why would Linden Lab have to do anything? I mean, obviously they can't be like "Come to Teen Life, where you can have ALL THE SEX YOU WANT!!!!111oneone"...

but they also can't enforce any sort of way to prevent it 100%, even 50%. It's just not possible.

You cannot control what your customers will do with your product.

LLab also will not be sued because Johnny touched little Sally's prim.

Nor will they be sued (successfully) in any court of law.

LF

OHHHHHH I understand.

"Let's ask something of Linden Lab that's completely unreasonable to expect and let them worry about how to do it."

Right.

I don't know, and that is why I will leave it to the experts. I already stated that I don't know how they will verify the fact that a player on the kid grid is actually a minor when most likely their method of payment will be on their parents CC.

For more on this see, LF's post which I concur with 110%

How may MMOGs have you developed and run Hiro? Where are your answers and suggestions? You want to demand them from me but offer none yourself. As far as I can tell your answer would have to be *no kid grid*. That is the only way I can see stopping that which you are claiming you are concerned about.

I do not understand that sentence of yours I quoted above. What are we asking of them? What is unreasonable? I do say let them worry about it. I think they can be held about as responsible for the actions of players as can your local ISP. They are not omniscient you know.

Is this about your worry over kids having net sex or your disdain for net relationships in general? i am really beginning to wonder.

LMAO!

I DID NOT HAVE SEX WITH THAT AVATAR MONICA LEWENSKY!!! *Hides his Virtual Cigar.*

I dont want my opinion of LL to change, I don't want my opinon of SL to change. Just because I wouldn't allow my teen on the teen grid doesn't mean that it doesn't exist. I am concerned that if this is allowed to happen my opinon of SL and LL will change, reguardless of if I want it to or not. I think they are making a mistake. I would feel terriable if something negative happened to anyones kid in SL kiddie grid. At least I am being honest in my thoughts upfront.


With that said I would like to hear how LL is going to handle the issues we have been talking about, my opinion might change. Nothing for me is written in stone on these issues. As a parent I am deeply concerned. As a customer I too am concerned. They go hand in hand.
Cat

Organization get sued, and lose, all the time for creating products that can be used recklessly, or providing environments that are unsafe. Who the heck are you kidding? I'm not even talking the frivilous "McDonalds spilled coffee" type lawsuits either that get so much press.

And chat providers like Yahoo cooperate with any police investigation. They don't throw up their hands and say, "Whoops, kids used our stuff! Not our fault!"

That's why we have:
- Laws ensuring firearms and ammo are stored in locked seperate places.
- Laws ensuring vendors of guns require proper background checks.
- Warning labels on just about everything.
- Content labeling on all food products.
- Laws that hold parents accountable for parties their kids throw in their house without their knowledge while they're away.
- Laws preventing children into places that serve alcohol without being accompanied by an adult.

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Valiant Darkholme
TearsofDeception
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"lol i awnswered that question in another post. YES IM IN HIGH SCHOOL MY SENIOR YEAR GRADUATING EARLY IM 18 TURNED 18 ON OCTOBER 27 BORN IN 1986. IVE GOT MY OWN DEBT CARD I AM NOT VIOLATING ANY RULES AND WHY IS IT SUCH A PROBLEM THAT IM IN HIGH SCHOOL? AS LONG AS IM 18 RIGHT? IVE BEEN TO A NUMBER OF STRIP CLUBS HERE IN MYRTLE BEACH AND HAVE SEEN AND PREFORMED ALOT MORE VOLGURE STUFF THAN WHATS IN THIS GAME. lol people i am not violating any rules. if you only knew me in reality............"

WTF! Welcome to my nightmare.

Cat this can and already probably has happened in the main grid. You simply cannot stop it. Does that make it ok? NO.

Many other online environments that are out there have had actual problems arise that were disseminated to the public, and they are still around. I am certain that LL cannot be held responsible for the actions of it's users. To state otherwise is akin to stating that Ford should be held responsible when a drunk kills someone on the road.

As far as the image of SL being tarnished, let's wait and see what comes. Let's not assume things and put the cart before the horse. Lots of bad things happen in this world but have we given up on the world? I haven't. I am against the kid grid by the way but ai am not going to give in to assumptions and fear.