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Minors in SL having Sex. Is it ok?

Blake Rockwell
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12-10-2004 10:04
From: Nolan Nash
The original question was quite vague and I took it as meaning minor on minor sex.

As far as adults misrepresenting themselves as kids on that grid I agree. Believe me, the FIRST thought that popped in my head was *how the hell will they prove/disprove a player's age when the target group has to use mom and dad's credit card?* I am with you on that one Cat.


Regardless of age..who really knows the age behind the AV? This is another thing to consider.
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12-10-2004 10:04
From: Nolan Nash
It may be wrong to you or me, but it's not to most if not all US states. Frowned upon, probably. Illegal no. A lot of states have marriage laws which you may be surpised about, as far as teh required age. And Cat, I have to ask you; where you grew up was this all that uncommon? (13-17 yr. olds having sex) It wasn't where I grew upand I think you are being a little naive to be honest. I would also ask; do you think its ok if a 22 year old has sex with an 18 year old? I mean the 18 year old didn't just suddenly become responsible because of their 18th birthday now did they? It's not as if that day was some sort of *day of enlightenment* upon which the kid was bestowed with the wisdom of all adults.


I think I am being realistic. If you open the door to allow kids to cyber sex with each other you are also opening the door to adults getting into that kiddie grid and having cyber sex with kids. I know teens are having sex. I just dont want my teen intentationaly exposed to adult situations. I do the best I can in this day and age to talk with my teen but teens are stupid. They do stupid things because they do not have the ability yet to make adult decisions. In the end I pray that he/she heard half of what I have said. I would not intentionaly put him in harms way and hope for the best.

Cat
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12-10-2004 10:05
From: Blake Rockwell
Regardless of age..who really knows the age behind the AV? This is another thing to consider.

no shit??
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12-10-2004 10:06
From: Blake Rockwell
Also if opposed to it..what age were you when you experimented?


In the United States, you're considered an adult at 18, I would think logically.. that would be the age of consent no?
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12-10-2004 10:07
From: Nolan Nash
The original question was quite vague and I took it as meaning minor on minor sex.

As far as adults misrepresenting themselves as kids on that grid I agree. Believe me, the FIRST thought that popped in my head was *how the hell will they prove/disprove a player's age when the target group has to use mom and dad's credit card?* I am with you on that one Cat.


:) thanks Nolan
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12-10-2004 10:08
From: Einsman Schlegel
In the United States, you're considered an adult at 18, I would think logically.. that would be the age of consent no?

Things you're not allowed to do in the US despite being 18 and "legal":
- Drink (in most states)
- Gamble
- Rent a car
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12-10-2004 10:08
Yeah I know. But this is about sex not the other subjects :p
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12-10-2004 10:09
From: Einsman Schlegel
Yeah I know. But this is about sex not the other subjects :p

Yes, indeed. I was making the point that 18 isn't a hard limit.
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12-10-2004 10:09
From: Hiro Pendragon
Things you're not allowed to do in the US despite being 18 and "legal":
- Drink (in most states)
- Gamble
- Rent a car

things you can do at 18
- wear a uniform
- die
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Catherine Cotton
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12-10-2004 10:09
Originally Posted by Blake Rockwell
Also if opposed to it..what age were you when you experimented?

I have been married for 18 years I am 40 do the math.

Cat
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12-10-2004 10:11
From: Catherine Cotton
Originally Posted by Blake Rockwell
Also if opposed to it..what age were you when you experimented?

I have been married for 18 years I am 40 do the math.

Cat

Not everyone's a virgin at 40.

KIDDING!

Seriously, we don't know what you're like in person. Can we assume you waited until marriage?
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12-10-2004 10:12
From: Hiro Pendragon
I can't believe I have to debate this.

Most states have "an age of consent" where it is illegal to have sex with a person under a certain age, regardless of what age you are. So, yes, if age of consent is 16, and two 15 year olds have sex, the parents can press charges against each other's child. That's the way it works.

The Internet is not a place for minors to be experimenting with sex. Consider:
- Predators who lie about themselves (often age)
- Anonymity breeds people who can be totally mean and not have any repurcussions (check out what the "adults" in SL do, after all)
- Online relationships are, by and large, very messed up. The overwhelming majority of online relationships I've observed span about 3-6 weeks, where people "declare love", get depressed, have vicious break-ups, and cause lots of drama. Compound this with minors who have years to go before they are emotionally mature? You're asking for trouble.
- How in Jeska Linden's name are you planning on dealing with dispute resolution between minors regarding cybersex? That skirts so many legal lines, not to mention the huge abhorrent mess that would be.
- Most of all, there is no real life consequences of the relationship. A situation without consequences is a very dangerous and reckless way for a child to learn something. I would never, ever, ever, ever, EVER let a child loose to try something out where there are no consequences for their actions.


Oh boy. You may be right legally, in SOME states. But you are hiding your head in the sand. How many times do parents sue each other over their kids having had sex? My guess is close to zero. As far as the internet not being a place for kids to experiment with sex, wtf are you talking about? They do in RL, so what makes the net inappropriate? How many get pregnant or STDs over the net? I explained that my cousins were threatened with sever punishment over this issue and I also explained the results. That is fact, and it taught me a lot about the topic.

Also, the ONLY state to have a law like what you quoted is Washington and its 59 months, which I find ridiculous.
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12-10-2004 10:12
From: Hiro Pendragon
Not everyone's a virgin at 40.

KIDDING!

Seriously, we don't know what you're like in person. Can we assume you waited until marriage?


Yes you can assume that about me :) different value system I suppose I am in the minority. :)
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12-10-2004 10:14
bleh! No way I'm posting what age I was when I first had sex. It would ruin my reputation as an innocent! :p

And yes, I said no because I was thinking Adult with Minor chat. And I do say *NO* to that. Teens chatting about sex. Flirting with each other. I don't have an issue with that. Personally I think this is an issue parents need to decide. I do not believe teens are stupid. I do think they still have a lot to learn. And I think as long as they are living at home, it is up to their parents to monitor their internet usage. Just as the parent should be responsible for all things in their child's life.
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12-10-2004 10:15
lol Pen but they dont know you in RL, ahh the beauty of SL a place where you can be honest about such things :)

Cat
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12-10-2004 10:16
From: Catherine Cotton
I think I am being realistic. If you open the door to allow kids to cyber sex with each other you are also opening the door to adults getting into that kiddie grid and having cyber sex with kids. I know teens are having sex. I just dont want my teen intentationaly exposed to adult situations. I do the best I can in this day and age to talk with my teen but teens are stupid. They do stupid things because they do not have the ability yet to make adult decisions. In the end I pray that he/she heard half of what I have said. I would not intentionaly put him in harms way and hope for the best.

Cat


Cat, they ARE going to do it, it's not about opening a door. For pete's sake don't you think they already do on Yahoo, AIM, and the like?
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12-10-2004 10:17
From: Einsman Schlegel
In the United States, you're considered an adult at 18, I would think logically.. that would be the age of consent no?


It varies from state to state Einsman.
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12-10-2004 10:18
From: Nolan Nash
Oh boy. You may be right legally, in SOME states.

Most states. Ugh, I'll post this and go dig it up online, gimme a few minutes.
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But you are hiding your head in the sand. How many times do parents sue each other over their kids having had sex? My guess is close to zero.

Just because you guess it doesn't make it so. We're not talking sue, we're talking press charges, also. If my (hypothetical) 13 year old had sex with a 17 year old, you're damn right I'd consider pressing criminal charges.
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As far as the internet not being a place for kids to experiment with sex, wtf are you talking about? They do in RL, so what makes the net inappropriate?

Did you ignore my comments about no consequences?
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How many get pregnant or STDs over the net?

Dude, how much more plainly can I say it - Net relationships are FUCKED UP. Kids are not mature enough to handle that. At least in real life you have, as a parent, some sort of control to monitor who they see. In real life they have to deal with the social ramifications of a relationship, which is a very important part of the whole deal that needs to be learned.
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Blake Rockwell
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12-10-2004 10:19
Then there is the question of how minors feel about it. Though parents may feel different...even about minors having sex with each other...plenty of minors as soon as their harmones go wild want to experiment. OF course there is the issue of responsibility that goes with doing it and someone getting pregnant...however; you can't get pregnant from two AV's having sex, regardless..they are gonna learn it and some will do it one way or the other.
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12-10-2004 10:19
From: Nolan Nash
It varies from state to state Einsman.


Yeah guess I forgot about that part.
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Age of consent
12-10-2004 10:21
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Age_of_consent

If someone is not age of consent, then they cannot give consent to sex, regardless of the age of the other person.

Any sexual act without consent is by definition rape.

Ergo, sex with someone who is not at least age of consent is rape, regardless of the age of the other person. By law.

Now, how in Bob Barker's name are you going to work out all the legal details of this in SL?
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12-10-2004 10:23
From: Nolan Nash
Cat, they ARE going to do it, it's not about opening a door. For pete's sake don't you think they already do on Yahoo, AIM, and the like?


Nolan I know they are. My kid however is not :) I guess its just a matter of the choices we make as parents. Kids are exposed enough threw rl relationships with their peers, IMO.

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12-10-2004 10:26
From: Hiro Pendragon
Most states. Ugh, I'll post this and go dig it up online, gimme a few minutes.
I just did. Thanks anyway. One state fits your description, Washinton and it's 59 months.
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Just because you guess it doesn't make it so. We're not talking sue, we're talking press charges, also. If my (hypothetical) 13 year old had sex with a 17 year old, you're damn right I'd consider pressing criminal charges.
Good luck. If you live in Washington you MIGHT havve a case. What are they gonna do after the fact? Yell at the kids some more like the parents already have? There is no judge that is going to make any type of monetary or punitive settlement between parents over their kids having sex. I have been aware of DOZENS of underaged pregnancies and NOT ONE has led to pressing charges against the other parents unless one of the involved parties was 18+. Sue, press charges, its academic.

Did you ignore my comments about no consequences?
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Dude, how much more plainly can I say it - Net relationships are FUCKED UP. Kids are not mature enough to handle that. At least in real life you have, as a parent, some sort of control to monitor who they see. In real life they have to deal with the social ramifications of a relationship, which is a very important part of the whole deal that needs to be learned.


Wow. What a broad generalism. So I suppose somehow that's more *fucked up* than meeting someone in RL? Give me a break. You just crossed the line of misinformed alarmist with me and as such I will not bother responding to you anymore. Folks who make the type of stereotypical assumptions as you have in your last paragraph aren't worth exercising my fingers for.
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12-10-2004 10:29
From: Nolan Nash
I just did. Thanks anyway. One state fits your description, Washinton and it's 59 months.

I'm sorry, you're mistaken.
From: Wikipedia
"Thus somebody engaging in sex with someone below the age of consent commits a crime, called child sexual abuse."

Doesn't matter the age. Let me NOW try and find some news articles describing a case. Ugh, wasting my time =p
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12-10-2004 10:31
I didn't even think you could have sex on the internet. I mean, all I'm able to do is type stuff at people. What am I missing?? Why hasn't anyone told me about this??? I want internet sexx0r! Do I have to buy parts for my computer or something? Someone help me out here! ;)

So... if TinySex (or cybersex) between minors is statuatory rape, then wouldn't also a frank discussion of sexual activity between minors also be stat. rape? Silly thought. :)

Don't mind me. Loose brain. You know how it is. :D
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