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Siggy Romulus
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06-28-2005 22:39
From: Chip Midnight
Blaze, that kind of behavior isn't something I'd be bragging about. Don't expect anyone to believe a word you say ever again..


Hehehe some of us never did :)

Siggy.
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
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06-28-2005 22:40
From: Satchmo Prototype
So all this gaming the forums and using alts to prop up brands.... this is all within the TOS? (I'm no TOS expert)


If none of the alts are violating the posting guidelines I suppose it's within the TOS. That doesn't keep it from being seriously creepy though. Since Blaze claims that account is his anti-brand av, and he's using it to cast aspersions on other people's good names, I'd say he's treading a fine line. It's clearly in poor taste.
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Siggy Romulus
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06-28-2005 22:47
But heres where it all falls down...

Lets say that's true.. The only way that *ANYONE* with more than 3 minutes spent reading these forums would avoid a person like the plague is if Blaze actually said *GOOD* things about them...

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Arbel Vogel
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I agree with Chip...
06-28-2005 22:52
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Siggy Romulus
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06-28-2005 22:55
posting my RL pic on the forums is a TOS violation.....

When you begged me for it, you promised you wouldn't show it anyone Arbel :(
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Chip Midnight
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06-28-2005 22:58
Damn Siggy. Those aren't just mutton chops. They're whole muttons!
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Cocoanut Koala
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06-28-2005 23:19
Well, he did say that the Blaze one was the one who wanted to get to the truth of things, or something like that; so we could assume that what he says under it is more or less his true thoughts. As opposed to the other hims, who wouldn't risk their businesses that way.

I'm personally not completely without self-interest, and also intend to make a successful go of it in SL, and it was merely unfortunate that I had to start off in a political mode, which I'm still not out of, and probably will never be out of as long as I feel everyone is not treated equally, and humanely, on these forums, such that it is a good place for all players.

But at least I take my own lumps. And since I'm a nice lady, those lumps aren't easy. Since I'm also realistic, though, I realize that just because I extend an olive branch and it gets spit on, or whatever, doesn't mean I was wrong to do so. So what if my business has a slower start because of ithe stands I've taken on issues in the forums.

I would rather risk, not just my business interests, but also my whole game for the ability to say what I believe. It's unfortunate that I risk that, but it is necessary. As I have said before, NO one should have to lose their game because of what they say on the forums. Especially when those warnings come only when others decide to report you, a practice I don't engage in.

I would never dream of hiding behind an alt to say anything, because I feel that my personality is entirely integrated, and has values and principles, and I'm honest. So I figure, with time, people will discover that for themselves. In short, I know I'm a good person, and a life of experience tells me that. I would never be afraid, anywhere, to say what I believe - well I might be afraid in Nazi Germany or something, but you know what I mean. And it doesn't mean I'm always right, but I will stand behind my words, until such time as I may change my ideas, then I will stand behind those ideas.

Kinda irks me that you and I sometimes say the same things, Blaze, and often, apparently, think them - yet I'm the one who puts my whole game on the line for them, and you don't.

Moreover, your participating in lynch mobs as an alt really does make it harder for me, personally, in addition to making the boards go more poorly than they need to. I am unhappy with you and I resent you for purposely making my game experience more difficult and less pleasant by this ridiculous joining the lynch mobs and arguing with yourself, and for damaging the boards in this fashion as well.

coco
Aimee Weber
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06-28-2005 23:31
From: Cocoanut Koala
Kinda irks me that you and I sometimes say the same things, Blaze, and often, apparently, think them - yet I'm the one who puts my whole game on the line for them, and you don't.

Moreover, your participating in lynch mobs as an alt really does make it harder for me, personally, in addition to making the boards go more poorly than they need to. I am unhappy with you and I resent you for purposely making my game experience more difficult and less pleasant by this ridiculous joining the lynch mobs and arguing with yourself, and for damaging the boards in this fashion as well.


Coco,
Many people have been criticizing Blaze's behavior, and now it seems you are too. Would you say that you are joining in on a lynch mob against Blaze? Or do you feel that your feelings of being irked, unhappy, and resentful were something you arrived at on an individual and personal level all by yourself?

Is it possible that what folks have been calling "lynch mobs" may also simply be large numbers of people arriving at their own conclusions based on their own experiences as well?
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Chip Midnight
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06-28-2005 23:40
From: Cocoanut Koala
I would never dream of hiding behind an alt to say anything, because I feel that my personality is entirely integrated, and has values and principles, and I'm honest.


I completely relate to that, Coco. If I have something to say, I'll say it. What good are opinions if I feel I have to pretend they belong to someone else? Integrity isn't something that can be propped up with alts. You either have it or you don't.
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Cocoanut Koala
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06-28-2005 23:40
I see your point, Aimee. But I don't think it's exactly the same thing. People aren't exactly lynching him in this thread, and if they were, they wouldn't be lynching him, really, in the first place. I didn't call him names or call for his expulsion, or shunning of him.

I think I can tell a difference between several people criticizing something specific, and an outright lynch mob determined to do in another player. Particularly when the other player/s is/are actually the person they are claiming to be.

Nevertheless, your point is well taken, and I will have to think on it for a few days.

coco
blaze Spinnaker
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06-29-2005 02:00
Anyways, this thread isn't about me so I think I'll divert the discussion to something more generic.

Aimee - the fact is, many people can utilize ALTs to run 'whisper campaigns' (you might want to google that, folks before you leap into the ad hominem) and an Awards prize is an excellent opportunity to do so which is why we should be cautious about what we allow or don't allow in a massive shout channel that is the general forum.
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Hiro Pendragon
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06-29-2005 02:09
From: blaze Spinnaker
Anyways, this thread isn't about me so I think I'll divert the discussion to something more generic.

Aimee - the fact is, many people can utilize ALTs to run 'whisper campaigns' (you might want to google that, folks before you leap into the ad hominem) and an Awards prize is an excellent opportunity to do so which is why we should be cautious about what we allow or don't allow in a massive shout channel that is the general forum.

Blaze, while you bring up an interesting point, buymystuff I should point out that RoninWeaponsRule Aimee is already a brand name viveLePosCubes and any effect that advertising hiromakesawesomeswords has on her sales would be minor. In addition, you thisisarediculouslylongwhisperinthemiddleofthesentencetoremindyoutobuyHirosstuffandenjoy pointing it out just furthers publicity. :) buymystuff
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-29-2005 02:27
Oh, Hiro, absolutely.

Your last point completely .. I certainly didn't miss the opportunity that Aimee took to further expand on her 'review board' and 'how fair her award will be' and 'how all eyes are on her', etc etc.

But, hey, I figured I had given her a hard enough time already.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Kim Anubis
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06-29-2005 03:19
From: blaze Spinnaker
Anyways, this thread isn't about me so I think I'll divert the discussion to something more generic.


Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain, eh?

"Lookit me, I figured out how to play with myself! Look, look aren't you in awe of my allegedly enormous business prowess? Hey, wait, you were supposed to be in awe. Hey, stop laughing at it. What do you mean, it's nonexistent? Hey, guys, c'mon, stopit! Stop looking at me that way. Stop looking at me! Erm . . . HEY EVERYONE, LOOK OVER THERE AT AIMEE!"
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-29-2005 04:15
Yawn.

Maybe we can leave the Blaze Spinnaker obsession for another thread, eh?

Do I really hold such a fascination for you that you feel the need to post message after message after message about me? Can't you find something more interesting to talk about? Like, for example, the actual topic in this thread?
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
blaze Spinnaker
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06-29-2005 04:17
But, hey, go on. Talk about me (or rather, should I say: this ALT). I find it highly amusing when I come back after a few hours to find all these posts about my ALT. At least someone finds it terribly fascinating!
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Willow Zander
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06-29-2005 04:21
From: blaze Spinnaker
But, hey, go on. Talk about me (or rather, should I say: this ALT). I find it highly amusing when I come back after a few hours to find all these posts about my ALT. At least someone finds it terribly fascinating!


I find you fascinating! That fascinating I want to LICK YOU!

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Satchmo Prototype
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06-29-2005 05:45
I bet HTML will bring a lot more ALT outtings... you'll see direct IP addresses in server logs. IP addresses with the simple correlation of who used the service is a dead giveway. I'm not advocating this kind of witch hunt (and would NEVER participate in such things).... but as we've seen, some of our fellow citizens are dirty and shady, and I wouldn't put it past them to do this.
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blaze Spinnaker
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06-29-2005 05:50
Well .. I for one keep html / streaming turned off :)
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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Aimee Weber
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06-29-2005 05:52
From: Cocoanut Koala
I see your point, Aimee. But I don't think it's exactly the same thing. People aren't exactly lynching him in this thread, and if they were, they wouldn't be lynching him, really, in the first place. I didn't call him names or call for his expulsion, or shunning of him.

I think I can tell a difference between several people criticizing something specific, and an outright lynch mob determined to do in another player. Particularly when the other player/s is/are actually the person they are claiming to be.

Nevertheless, your point is well taken, and I will have to think on it for a few days.


Thank you Coco. In the meantime, I promise I will not dismiss your honest opinions as merely being part of a lynch mob.
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Catherine Cotton
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06-29-2005 05:52
What about name branding? What if a person goes out of their way to brand themselves and are pretty much always associated with that name. Would it make a difference?

Dunno but interesting topic.

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Aimee Weber
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06-29-2005 05:58
From: Satchmo Prototype
I bet HTML will bring a lot more ALT outtings... you'll see direct IP addresses in server logs. IP addresses with the simple correlation of who used the service is a dead giveway. I'm not advocating this kind of witch hunt (and would NEVER participate in such things).... but as we've seen, some of our fellow citizens are dirty and shady, and I wouldn't put it past them to do this.


While doing this on the sly would be sleazy, it DOES open the door for voluntarily alt verification. If, for example, somebody were to accuse me of being Chip's alt, we would BOTH be happy to voluntarily check in with whatsmyip.com and instantly put an end to it.
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Colette Meiji
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06-29-2005 06:30
From: blaze Spinnaker
If someone thinks I'm the only one using ALTs to fly beneath the economic radar than they are dangerously naive.

Also, I'm not bragging. I'm merely trying to serve some wakeup.

Try going out in the world and looking at products and going to the trouble of tracing them back to their original source.

Developing one product and then refactoring it under several different brands is a very long and tried technique. Each brand (or in my case, ALT) serves a particular audience and its need. This is merely what I'm doing, except perhaps it's a little harder to trace back.

If SL were bigger, I'd be less worried about hiding it because the majority of people wouldn't bother tracing it or complaining about it.


What a helpful message.

Thanks for reminding me not to have even a scrap of faith in people being who they say they are.

I do not trust someone that admits in the open that they have multiple anonymous personalities in Second Life. The fact that They exist for the admitted use of manipulating image and "brand" further underlines the point.
Cocoanut Koala
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06-29-2005 06:35
From: Aimee Weber
Thank you Coco. In the meantime, I promise I will not dismiss your honest opinions as merely being part of a lynch mob.

Don't rub it in, Aimee. Bad form.

Besides, I've been thinking on this, and so far I am thinking my thinking is both sufficient and correct.

coco
Colette Meiji
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06-29-2005 06:38
From: blaze Spinnaker
Nolan, I have abuse reported your message. There is no need to be calling me names simply because I'm providing you with some real insight.



The way I see it, you have deliberately provoked people in this thread by seeding doubt as to your motives and methods.

While what you have done may or may not be within the TOS .. I find it hard to believe you have the gall to AR a reasoned criticism of your admitted actions.
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