Are YOU a business?

No amount of passive aggressive behaviour is going to convince me that blaze was not just trying to stir the pot here.

Dimishing the concept that he had anything to do with Jeska's decision by pointing this out is not derrogatory.

Fred Garvin IS a business.

Oof. Ok blaze. Just to put it in perspective, Chip would have to bribe not just me, but FlipperPA Peregrine, Catherine Omega, Francis Chung, eltee Statosky, BuhBuhCuh Fairchild and AnneDroid Lily with forum praise to get the award.

And you are still talking about me paying $L 3000 plus my credibility so that Chip will start a THREAD praising me? I'm pretty sure he would do it for free if I asked him to, but I would never do that.

God...for L$ 9000 every three months, I could blot out the sun with *PREEN* billboards. So you may want to add a cost/benefit analysis in your Marketing 101 class.


Oh and Chris...Best post evah

Intellectually, I like to change things up, sure. However, I would appreciate it if you respect me enough to avoid using deragatory terms to describe both myself and my posts.



Well, there are a group of people on these forums which are good friends and regularly spend time congratulating one another and everytime I cry "Party Foul" I get lamblasted.

Fortunately, the exercise of lamblasting me has become more critical thinking and less ad hominem due to changes brought on by LL. The new tone around here is pretty impressive!

What? You get lambasted for lambasting people? Shocking!

to get respect you have to give respect.....

mr blaze, what is wrong with friends encouraging each other?praising each other?even if it is in public viewing for all to see...what is wrong with that?should they be mean,rude, or fight with each other on the forums?

so what if friends scream all over the forum in praise and etc about each other...if you think that it helps in some way for their designs/business to make more money, then please friends of Blaze- please praise them so they wont feel left out
sorry but...one thing (among so many other more things )that friends do is stand behind you,encourage you and more or less be your cheering team.

You're never sure if they're friends or the ALTs of one person.

For example, two of my ALTs have become fairly well known vendors in SL, they even post occasionaly to the technical forums with free assistance.

I have yet to start having them complimenting each other, but will consider it if it becomes wholey permissible.

i don't think it's a binary of yes no.

jauani wu has gone from a research tool, to a social identity, to a business, back to a social identity. i think aimee weber now is more of a business than let's say a year ago when i met her. i don't know any av in sl which is 100% business.

True mr blaze, but then we dont know if me and you are talking to a monkey?or a computerized program now do we?lol
I am sure you have more other things to do and spend time on than little things like this

What I am saying is..from all the years I have been around chat rooms..they always had people who snatch up the little stuff and spend thier time on it...when those little things dont matter really...Only people who live and love "drama" would love to spend their time over the little stuffs; i would say waste thier time but then i dont want to push my views on what is waste and what isnt waste.
If they are using "alts" to do this..then so be it...if they need attention so badly like that, well we cant help them or stop them, for they will find another way to try to get attention...
But going on about them doing this well it is feeding them the attention they are wanting and craving....So you are in fact giving them that attention see?

Well, L$ is at stake. Through clever manipulation of the forum rules and judicous use of ALTs it is possible to advance a particular brand.

Even if L$ wasn't at stake, life is a game - money or no money. And SecondLife doubly so. And we all like to win

Sure, there is 'self-congratulation,' but what makes philanthropy so suspect? Your next question: "what is 'philanthropic' about pure commercial venture?" I defend no one when I suggest that, perhaps, some SL elder-statesmen(women) might be interested in giving back. It is not so unusual.

Interestingly, this particular 'award,' appears to be aimed at more established SL members--those with some sort of history. The initial recipients, when they are named, will be an indicator of the extent of the philanthropy--scope and reach.

Moving of the thread? One must examine one's own role in such activities.

Marketing 101? It has been done. . .a million times over.

No, I'm a community project. Otherwise known as a sl00t, I'm free property.

I agree completely with Cubey. Repost it here. It's clearly a general-interest topic.

~Ulrika~

Your last sentence is the one that best characterizes the nature of the review board's agonizing. There are some tough questions to tackle and I think we are going to receive our scars for this no matter what happens.

What will it mean if the review board genuinely agrees that the most worthy nominee happens to be one of the infamous "FIC"? Should we succumb to the temptation to alter our decisions and select someone of lesser accomplishments in the name of appearing less "feted". This didn't sit well for me as it would amount to being unfair for the purposes of appearing fair.

A variety of rules and regulations were suggested by different board members such as the exclusion of certain established users based on SL age, income earned, proximity to FIC members (which of course would require defining FIC), etc. All of these suggestions are brimming with good intentions but in the end I felt they amounted to a redefinition of the award to something less about raw excellence and more about SL Politics.

So instead of limiting the selection process in a regulatory fashion, I'm instead relying on the integrity and good judgment of these review board members who labored over the aforementioned rules in the first place. We each get one and only one vote (including me) which we must apply with the simple rule of selecting nominees that have demonstrated excellence in their contributions to SL as defined by each board member.

We know all eyes are upon us, so to assume we all will throw away our reputations in order to give somebody a plug for their new clothing line or new script is a bit unfair. I can tell you that most of the folks on the review board are participating because they want to give exposure and funding to positive contributions that would have otherwise gone un-rewarded or unnoticed. But I can't tell you that the winner will be free of all accusations of favoritism. In fact I believe these accusations will be a certainty regardless of who wins.

sl00t!

Man they hide everywhere these days

*bows down to Aimee, sorry for trolling your flutterbyness*

I'm an experimental prototype of myself.

How do I go about getting into the Agatha Palmerstone beta program? I think this Agatha thing is gonna be big and I want in on the ground level.

I disagree, Blaze - at least from this standpoint:

Assuming - that 'Forum Regulars' are a target audience - and that using alts for propaganda would reach that audience more effectively and 'Occasional Posters' less effectively...

Forum regulars seem to be astute enough to spot an alt if it was used this way repeatedly. I imagine you could get away with it once or twice and further the intended agenda - but very quickly, those alts would be branded as such.

Unless you repeatedly paid $9.95 to make new alts, I don't think this would be an effective marketing mechanism. Just my opinion, of course

Am I the only one who finds it ironic that they only naysayer here is an admitted alt?

Nope, you are not the only one. This entire thing has been about bias from the beginning anyway, the alt thing is just a smokescreen, though a funny one since it's sort of a do as I say not as I do kind of scenario.

In light of what you have explained, I do not think it matters, in the end, who is nominated and who 'wins.' Point is, everyone is SL 'wins' when creative endeavour or 'raw excellence' is supported for its own sake.

Should the 'winner' happen to be part of the FIC? Does that really matter? After all, the word 'feted' must represent something real or perceived--whether that is popularity, general esteem, real contribution to SL, or, simply, a loose amalgamation of friends.

Going back to my cabin now.

I had said the same, I think it takes a huge amount of his credibility away on the subject of saying Aimee cant step away from her "Business side".

From the way I read his posts Blake seems to say that Aimee should create a non Business alt and use her for the forums and non business things. He implies that "Aimee Weber" is basically the same as "Dolly Madison" in a business sense.

But wait - if shed used an alt no ones ever heard of .. no one would understand whats prestigous about the award ...

of course, i think Blaze well knows this.

In Second Life you are a person. If you happen to own a succesful business , you do. It doesnt make you a "Brand"

I am not "Colette Meiji Owner of Tiger Lily's" I am Colette Meiji, I happen to own Tiger Lily's but thats just one of the things I do in SL.

Hrm..... rename the Shelter to "Travis Lambert's"......

nah - sounds like a Steakhouse

I'm a business, but I only deal in monkeys.

I have my own award program going. I call it the Newfie Pendragon is da bomb awards. The criteria is so strict, arbitrary, and the selection process so long-winded, that not even the winner will know they've won.

And to make the whole award fair to everyone, there will be no prize money. Losers will be given exactly the same prizes as the winners - though just to prevent the losers from feeling bad, they wont be told they lost. In fact, everyone on these boards has either won or lost this award already!


Tactic to reward friends and co-conspirators? So what?

Money-making scheme? Big deal.

An act of generosity and philantropy? Only Aimee knows.


But then again...what does it matter? An award is only as valuable as it is perceived by individuals. If Aimee wants to give an award, more power to her. If she wants to use it as a money-making or brang-recognition tactic, then welcome to the modern capitalistic economy.

But guess what? Anyone can do the same. It's called freedom of choice.



- Newfie