We Need More Moderators!

This is something I truely wish happened more. I'm just happy that the inverse is true too—people who are socially inadequate offline like myself find great solace and comfort in being here, and can be quite open to such a degree that makes lions out of domestic housecats.

I also think everyone typing in the same font sometimes inhibits personality. If Verdana was suddenly changed to some flowery script, perceptions of words might seem not so harsh. It is for the same reason I use emoticons frequently, as I realize some things are not well-conveyed for me in text alone. A curious companion to this are the giant, iconic pictures often plastered in threads with loud typography. It must mean something insofar as speaking out about an issue goes.

If this is the case, then forums are also a welcome haven for fake victims, net-nannys and self aggrandizing drama queens. Really the door swings both ways. If are will be to be doormats on forums are they doormats in RL? They must be. A person can affect you in the manner in which you let them. Part of being an adult is learning to control and prioritize your feelings. If someone tells a poster that you are a dumbass on a forum breaks that persons heart then they probably need to re-evaluate their priorities.


Selador, your constant attacks on people and their manners that you deem as inappropriate makes you no better than the people you ridicule. Everyone here is an adult and doesn’t need you playing net Daddy in some thinly veiled attempt to chastise them and in the process elevate yourself. Like I said, the door swings both ways so look in the mirror before you pass out more lessons.

For me the opposite is true... Real life doesn't have a backspace key.

So in real life I'm 10 times worse than I am here

And no regrets - at least people know where I stand.

There are a lot of drama queens in this forum and they aren't all the ones most commonly singled out as such. Some queen like behavior comes in the common form of being outraged (mock or otherwise) at someone's posts or comments. But it can be very queen like when someone writes a smarmy tome about some forum members percieved deficiencies, for example.


Agreed. But that said, there really isn't need for people to be overly harsh or overly mean-spirited either. I've read some things here that could easily be RL upsetting to them.

I don't see this as always being a sign of weakness or misplaced priorities.

But your point is well taken. People will post what they're gonna post and it's better to ignore shenanigans.

Good advice that everyone here should take to heart.

I find it amusing that instead of dealing with the problem people are saying, let's close the forums down.

The forums are a collection of scripts, textures, building advice, etc, just as much as SL. LL isn't going to give up the forums, and they probably wish they'd never made them, but they won't give it up.

As for the forum not creating revenue, this is true, but this is not a valid argument for staying with the current under-moderated state. Because it reflects badly on LL, it reflects badly on SL, and while it may never make them any revenue I can assure you if things keep up the way they are around here it will cost them revenue.

Get more moderators and tighten the leash, treat people like kids. Nanny them, babysit them. Sorry, but this is how online communities are properly moderated, and while it might get some players' panties in a bunch to feel "nannied" (I don't care personally) it'll certainly mean less headaches for LL and an improved image.

Or do you think concepts like the FIC, wether or not it is a reality or not, spontaneously combusted through no fault of LL's whatsoever? That they did nothing to contribute to the idea that they're badly organized, don't have strictly put down rules that they don't follow anyway, and that they might even play favourites?

The fact they can't maintain some semblance of order in these forums may lead to exaggeration and all the symptoms of the FIC.

But eh, this song and dance has been done before, and I'm sure as always my post will fade into oblivion.

Emma,
I hate to say it, but you're probably right.

LL will keep the forums for various reasons, but they cannot
allow them to be a place of truely free speech, because they
need to continue to keep things looking "positive" and people
seem to have a general tendency toward negativity these days.

However, I feel their grip is ALREADY too tight, when
it's against forum policy to speak out for consumer
rights against whatever company may be taking advantage
of residents.

One solution, of course, is to have 3rd party site/forums
where we can speak up and tell our stories of perceived
abuse.

Other solutions might include starting some kind of
Better Business Bureau which is allowed to post
positive and negative experiences on SL businesses.

Ultimately... as long as one company (LL) is in total control
of the politics/government in "our world" we will not
really have The Metaverse.

Gabrielle

Actually, what is needed is for someone with pull to open their own community forum. The folks who want the environment we have when the trolls aren't at play would instantly migrate there, leaving the social inepts to rise to the upper eschelon here.

Then, about six months from now, the migrators could return and heckle the social inepts for doing precisely the same thing they are currently berating the present upper eschelon for doing.

The only problem with this delicious bit of irony being that, within six months, none of the social inepts would remember their own beginnings long enough to grasp their complete hypocrisy.

Ah well.

huh? did I hear something?

I think your theory is also a possibility. But at the same time we can't discount the opinions behind these types of people even if we don't approve of their motivations. Maybe by understanding they exist, and have valid arguments, we can focus on the issues and not the personality types.

And we can all try to overlook the more aggressive types. I didn't say they were right or to give in, but just AR and move on. Or if you feel you are "being forced" to be aggressive, step back.

But sometimes, the same traits we berate others for exhibiting are the ones we show ourselves. And this doesn't make it right either way.

So much for your pleas to be nice.

Yes, I also know what your view is, and disagree that it iaccurate. As always, the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle. You know what though? When I think about things that have really upset me in these forums, I don't indict an entire group or the forums as a whole because of it. All these sweeping statements about the socially inept and amateurish psych analyses of people's motivations just adds to the acrimony, it does nothing to help diffuse it, because people are never treated as indiviudals with individual motivations, feelings, and responsibility.

Coddling people, or alternatively, criticising people does nothing - no one here answers to you, to me, or to anyone else. Do you honestly think that by vaguely characterizing someone as a socially inept coward who is big behind a keyboard, you aren't just making a personal attack you can get an exemption for because you didn't name names? Again, it comes down to a simple matter of judge yourself - you have no right to stand in judgement of anyone else.

Bwahahahaha.

The alleged "upper crust" here wouldn't be able to stand it. Without the so-called "lower class" to dump on they'd have nothing to do.

Dogspot! You Are Dissssmissssed!

Very good post.

Cristiano, the sweeping comments about groups of people I can handle, though you are right they certainly don't help.

It's the interpersonal attacks which get a tad tiresome.

I know you think I attacked Ulrika. I dispute that, but would be prepared to concede it.

I am ridiculing nobody. I find nothing remotely ridiculous or amusing in the situation.

I would like to know who else I have 'constantly attacked' please? Preferably with quotes?

I am glad that the socially inadequate can find themselves in second life, as I have said many times before. I take your word for it that you are socially inadequate, but certainly you have managed to find a balance between confidence and empathetic treatment of others.

However, lions are unpleasant animals to have around in social situations. I would prefer something a little tamer.

Posts should be read by the moderators before appearing. Improper posts should be rejected and not appear at all. This is the way some company product discussion forums are handled, and the policy works out fine for them.

Who have I attacked? I have said there are some people like this on the forums. There are. You are not among them, although I have disagreed with you many times. In fact I don't even know all their names - one or two stand out, but the majority of them don't survive in my sieve-like memory. So I am not attacking a specific group of people. Those who feel that my words are directed at them should perhaps ask themselves why.

The reason I described the kind of person I think they are (and it wasn't an 'amateurish psych analysis' - I could produce a really professional-sounding amateurish psych analysis if I wanted to) - was that I hoped some people might recognise themselves and recognise the truth of what I was saying. Too many people have been hurt in these forums. It is not right.

I think it's all a matter of perception. You feel like you haven't attacked anyone, but at the same time, someone might fel like you have attacked them.

I think the irony is that everyone seems to want the same thing, a peaceful forum, for the most part. We just have to find a way to make that happened.

I think we should all start with two wrongs don't make a right.

Eboni,

Instead of putting so much heat on poor Selador, I would instead love to see you focus on SuezanneC. She's become quite the robotic forum nanny lately posting pseudo-professional assessments of a thread or post's fitness to exist along with the occasional call to group AR posts. They are always off topic, disruptive, and a tad bit rude. Perhaps your mighty hammer of justice could find a new nail to pound upon?

~Ulrika~

ACK!!

Let me know when this happens...
I'll stop posting here and that will save
the Forum Police more time spent reading.

In the mean time...
Who has 3rd party sites set up now
with SL based forums? Any URLs?

Did someone say Forum Police??

Cristiano Midnight has long had an excellent, extremely professional website with the url of secondlife.com

SLuniverse forums do, I believe, have some rules regarding content, but they are much more lax than the PG standard that applies to all broadly viewable areas of Second Life.

Cris's sluniverse.com also has a knowledgebase with some excellent information on it including Eboni Khan's excellent tutorial on alpha texturing.

sluniverse.com also has a java chat client for engaging in the the #secondlife IRC chat.

sluniverse.com also has links for SL related voice chat software.

sluniverse.com is also the home of Snapzilla.

Every single Second Life user should examine the many resources available at Cristiano's outstanding sluniverse.com site.

Ok. Hand over the copy of After Effects. I can only see that this will get worse.