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Nolan Nash
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08-10-2005 15:47
From: Catherine Cotton
Which tells me they are probably minors lol.

Yeah, we're minors, and you just broke the rules by talking to us!!!!!
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Jake Reitveld
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08-10-2005 15:49
From: Catherine Cotton
Anyone have anything constructive to add? I am not about to argue with ppl who see nothing wrong here. It's obvously wrong to a parent who's give a shit about their kid. If you ppl can't see that then your a sorry bunch.


Simply because I feel that protecting kids is better accomplished with education and communitcation rather than automatic prohibition does not mean that I do not care about kids. Conversely I worked with kids on a regular basis for years as a juvenile prosecutor and family services counsel, and I have, in fact had a very exhaustive background check done on me in connection with working for kids.

I have also been a kid. A Kid who snuck out at night when my parents slept, who drank under-age, who enjoyed driving cars that were not my own, who grew up in a era when safe sex was not doing while you were drving, who went through the experimentation phase with just about everything we are supposed to say no to, who ditched school and was told that he was unsuitable for college. And some how grew up ok inspite of it.

Lokk you absolutely cannot protect your kids from everything, and bit part of the danger they pose comes from themsleves. However, you can do everything in your power to see that they are reasonably protected, that they are internet savvy, and that they feel like they can talk to you about situations that make them uncomfortable.

This does not make us all a sorry bunch. This simply means that we feel kids have enough responsibility to use the internet and SL, as long as reasonable precautions are taken. LL has worked hard to take those precautions, something slip through the cracks, somethings are beyone thier control. I have not seen anywhere in this discussion, at least, where any harm was done. It seems the contacts discussed were inadvertent or in the form of technical help? I mean we don't seriously stop our kids from talking to the public librarian, simply because she is an adult? I doubt very much she has had the background check done.

I don't think the sorry bunch comment was warranted at all.
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Catherine Cotton
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08-10-2005 15:49
From: Nolan Nash
Quick, someone tell the 100s of other online game developers that have both adults and minors! Someone call FOX news, STAT!

It's not like adults can't private chat with minors in most of them.

And yes, I realize that those games don't have adult content, but we are talking about emails and IMs here not content, right?



Ok thats just ignorant. You ever heard of a file attachment?
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Jake Reitveld
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08-10-2005 15:51
From: Nolan Nash
Yeah, we're minors, and you just broke the rules by talking to us!!!!!


Nolan I think she is talking about our age in real years, not our maturity. If we went by maturity level (except when I am being paid to actually be mature!) then I am probably much to young for even the teen grid. Guess its Toon Town for me!
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Nolan Nash
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08-10-2005 15:51
From: Catherine Cotton
Good to know that the minors on the teen grid will not be protected by these adults.
First I am a minor, and now I work in for Linden Lab, protecting children from myself!

Suhweeeet!
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Nolan Nash
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08-10-2005 15:53
From: Catherine Cotton
Ok thats just ignorant. You ever heard of a file attachment?

No, only Green Fate's attachments.
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Catherine Cotton
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08-10-2005 15:53
From: Jake Reitveld
Simply because I feel that protecting kids is better accomplished with education and communitcation rather than automatic prohibition does not mean that I do not care about kids. Conversely I worked with kids on a regular basis for years as a juvenile prosecutor and family services counsel, and I have, in fact had a very exhaustive background check done on me in connection with working for kids.

I have also been a kid. A Kid who snuck out at night when my parents slept, who drank under-age, who enjoyed driving cars that were not my own, who grew up in a era when safe sex was not doing while you were drving, who went through the experimentation phase with just about everything we are supposed to say no to, who ditched school and was told that he was unsuitable for college. And some how grew up ok inspite of it.

Lokk you absolutely cannot protect your kids from everything, and bit part of the danger they pose comes from themsleves. However, you can do everything in your power to see that they are reasonably protected, that they are internet savvy, and that they feel like they can talk to you about situations that make them uncomfortable.

This does not make us all a sorry bunch. This simply means that we feel kids have enough responsibility to use the internet and SL, as long as reasonable precautions are taken. LL has worked hard to take those precautions, something slip through the cracks, somethings are beyone thier control. I have not seen anywhere in this discussion, at least, where any harm was done. It seems the contacts discussed were inadvertent or in the form of technical help? I mean we don't seriously stop our kids from talking to the public librarian, simply because she is an adult? I doubt very much she has had the background check done.

I don't think the sorry bunch comment was warranted at all.



How has LL worked hard? When ppl can talk to these kids and send them content? LL said they would do extensive background checks on adults who came into contact with kids. Yet they allow private conversations to take place. I believed LL when they said they would protect the kids and IMO after reading about those who have broken the rules its abundantly clear that LL did not do enough.
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Nolan Nash
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08-10-2005 15:55
From: Jake Reitveld
Nolan I think she is talking about our age in real years, not our maturity. If we went by maturity level (except when I am being paid to actually be mature!) then I am probably much to young for even the teen grid. Guess its Toon Town for me!

Ahhh. Well, I am starting to middle school in the fall!

I don't know what to tell the faculty though, when they ask me why I am six feet tall, weight 205, and have a five o' clock shadow by last period :p !
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Catherine Cotton
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08-10-2005 15:55
From: Nolan Nash
First I am a minor, and now I work in for Linden Lab, protecting children from myself!

Suhweeeet!


ahhh I dont realy know what to say to that.
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Catherine Cotton
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08-10-2005 15:56
From: Nolan Nash
Quick, someone tell the 100s of other online game developers that have both adults and minors! Someone call FOX news, STAT!

It's not like adults can't private chat with minors in most of them.

And yes, I realize that those games don't have adult content, but we are talking about emails and IMs here not content, right?



look Cristino this is grand standing.
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Nolan Nash
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08-10-2005 15:57
From: Catherine Cotton
ahhh I dont realy know what to say to that.

How about, "you're on ignore!", and "fuck your opinions!"?
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Nolan Nash
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08-10-2005 15:59
From: Catherine Cotton
look Cristino this is grand standing.

Hey wait, I AM Cristino (sic)!
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Catherine Cotton
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08-10-2005 15:59
Well the forum (edited) derailed yet another good discussion with their insults and rude, agrumenative...fighting. I just don't see how this is good for LL but hey its their forum.

Waits for the thread to be locked.

In the meantime I have a new parody for ya all :D

Crapzilla :D
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Nolan Nash
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08-10-2005 16:05
From: Catherine Cotton
Well the forum (edited) derailed yet another good discussion with their insults and rude, agrumenative...fighting. I just don't see how this is good for LL but hey its their forum.

Waits for the thread to be locked.

Who derailed it Cat? People were informing us that there are holes in the system. You started threatening them. You have contributed nothing but ill will, based on personal issues you have with them.

Read what Jake has said, there's some valuable insight there. After you've done that, reply with your own ideas about how to fix the problem rather than attacking people who were SNAFUed by LL's oversights.

It's very, very obvious that your motivations here are soley driven by a need to get back at people you think have wronged you in the past.

Oh and, "dickheads", eh? I see you didn't learn from the last time you started cussing at people.
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-10-2005 16:07
From: Catherine Cotton
So its ok with you for LL to allow adults to privatly chat with minors. Yeah I see your point of view.

Let's just all keep looking the other way until something bad does happen, yes yes thats the smart thing to do here.

It would of been nice to have a discussion for a change but again I see a whole lot of insults thrown my way.

I am defending the rights of kids here, and the same folks who are always against what I say are yet again against me on this issue. Good to know that the minors on the teen grid will not be protected by these adults. I find that realy sad for those kids.


You insinuate that Cubey, Chip and I could potentially be sex offenders and then have the audacity to claim you were insulted? Yeah, that's logical. As far as it being ok for LL, I respect what they are doing. They are putting as many safeguards in place as they feel necessary. They cannot control every communication a teen ever makes, no more so than you can or I can or anyone can. Teens are people, not brainless robots. They do have brains, and make decisions on their own. All you can do is protect them where you can, instill as much common sense into them as you can, and hope for the best.

BTW, did it occur to you for a moment that I didn't need to disclose any of this. If I had been doing something wrong, why on earth would I post "hey, I have been contacted too"?
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Jake Reitveld
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08-10-2005 16:07
From: Catherine Cotton
How has LL worked hard? When ppl can talk to these kids and send them content? LL said they would do extensive background checks on adults who came into contact with kids. Yet they allow private conversations to take place. I believed LL when they said they would protect the kids and IMO after reading about those who have broken the rules its abundantly clear that LL did not do enough.


Well my understand is that the conversations occurred in third party sites and in situations that were not on the grid. Apprently a loophole in the key system was discovered, and Ims and content were exchanged. I am not sure this is something LL intened to happen, and frnakly the minor involved was on the adult grid first. I also imagine this loophole will be dealth with. LL is being very reasonable.
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Jake Reitveld
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08-10-2005 16:09
From: Nolan Nash
Hey wait, I AM Cristino (sic)!

And I thought you were my Alt.
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Nolan Nash
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08-10-2005 16:13
From: Jake Reitveld
And I thought you were my Alt.

Only if you click your heels together 3 times while saying "hyperbole". :p

Because, you know, if different people say "hyperbole", they must be alts. It's simple logic. ;)
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Catherine Cotton
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08-10-2005 16:14
From: Cristiano Midnight
You insinuate that Cubey, Chip and I could potentially be sex offenders and then have the audacity to claim you were insulted? Yeah, that's logical. As far as it being ok for LL, I respect what they are doing. They are putting as many safeguards in place as they feel necessary. They cannot control every communication a teen ever makes, no more so than you can or I can or anyone can. Teens are people, not brainless robots. They do have brains, and make decisions on their own. All you can do is protect them where you can, instill as much common sense into them as you can, and hope for the best.

BTW, did it occur to you for a moment that I didn't need to disclose any of this. If I had been doing something wrong, why on earth would I post "hey, I have been contacted too"?



GET IT THREW YOUR THICK SKULL I AM HOLDING LL RESPONCIBLE FOR THIS ONE.

ALSO IM SURE THAT CUBEY AND CHIP WOULD APPRECIATE IT IF YOU WOULD STOP TRYING TO DRAG THEM INTO YOUR CESPOOL.
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-10-2005 16:15
From: Catherine Cotton
GET IT THREW YOUR THICK SKULL I AM HOLDING LL RESPONCIBLE FOR THIS ONE.


As I said, knock yourself out, and learn how to freaking spell.
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Catherine Cotton
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08-10-2005 16:17
From: Cristiano Midnight
As I said, knock yourself out, and learn how to freaking spell.



what spelling error?
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-10-2005 16:18
From: Catherine Cotton
thats the best you got now spelling errors lol grow up kid.


Catherine,

You don't respond to logic, so the only thing left is to point out how piss poor your spelling always is.
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Catherine Cotton
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08-10-2005 16:22
From: Cristiano Midnight
Catherine,

You don't respond to logic, so the only thing left is to point out how piss poor your spelling always is.



LOL thats the best you got? woo hoo they are done with me NEXT victim to the front line please :D

CRAPZILLA :D

rofl
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Jake Reitveld
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08-10-2005 16:22
From: Nolan Nash
Only if you click your heels together 3 times while saying "hyperbole". :p

Because, you know, if different people say "hyperbole", they must be alts. It's simple logic. ;)


I thought the magic word was vitriol. I am so behind the times.
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Cristiano Midnight
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08-10-2005 16:23
From: Jake Reitveld
I thought the magic word was vitriol. I am so behind the times.


The cool kids are saying "besmirch".
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