Adults on Teen Grid
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
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08-08-2005 15:39
From: someone Adults on the Teen Grid
I'd like to issue a reminder that the Teen Grid is for Teens....specifically, those from 13 through 17 years of age. Any adult who knowingly contacts or sends content to a teen will be given a single warning before they are permanently removed from SL. Any adult who creates an account on the Teen Grid will find that all of their accounts are immediately deleted and they are permanently removed from SL. Should an adult attempt to contact a Teen in any mature context, their local authorities will be notified.
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Lance Mirabeau
Pees in the shower
Join date: 23 Jul 2005
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08-08-2005 15:40
I'd also like to point out that the sky is blue.
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ZsuZsanna Raven
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Join date: 19 Dec 2004
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08-08-2005 15:45
What I would like to know is how is it even possible for someone to transfer items from the MG to the TG?
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Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,416
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08-08-2005 15:46
From: ZsuZsanna Raven What I would like to know is how is it even possible for someone to transfer items from the MG to the TG? Supposedly, it can be done if you know the key of the recipient. Consider this groundless rumor mongering with little to no known basis in reality, though. |
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Foulcault Mechanique
Father Cheesemonkey
Join date: 28 Mar 2005
Posts: 557
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08-08-2005 15:48
From: ZsuZsanna Raven What I would like to know is how is it even possible for someone to transfer items from the MG to the TG? Um easy concidering my understanding but won't post it as that would encourage or allow others to do it that might not normally be allowed to. In short it can be done.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
Posts: 8,616
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08-08-2005 15:55
From: ZsuZsanna Raven What I would like to know is how is it even possible for someone to transfer items from the MG to the TG? Well, one way is when a MG account is transferred to the teen grid, as was the case with Ryen Jade. How much of his stuff was transferred is unclear, however. There are some other ways to get around the restrictions, since the grids use the same asset server - I am sure they will continue to tighten it as time goes on. Overall, I think they are doing a great job - I still remained shocked about the transfers from MG to TG with items/money however.
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Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,416
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08-08-2005 16:03
From: Cristiano Midnight Well, one way is when a MG account is transferred to the teen grid, as was the case with Ryen Jade. How much of his stuff was transferred is unclear, however. There are some other ways to get around the restrictions, since the grids use the same asset server - I am sure they will continue to tighten it as time goes on. Overall, I think they are doing a great job - I still remained shocked about the transfers from MG to TG with items/money however. I actually found out that one of the people I knew in-world was a minor, and that they were being transferred to the TG. They didn't have a lot of money, but they had some very nice items which they had personally made. As a creator, I very much doubt that he'd have stayed in SL if his inventory had been wiped. Though certainly the minors have violated the rules by joining, I don't think a largely punitive action like purging their inventories is appropriate. |
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
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08-08-2005 16:04
What if someone enters in an asset id in external software?
For example, if I hosted a website that you could enter in your avatar key and I'd give you something .. not really my fault now is it?
Hopefully llGiveInventory is blocked from the transferring assets between the grids.
However, I *do* like the warning in the last sentence. Good to hear that SL is serious about this.
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Cristiano Midnight
Evil Snapshot Baron
Join date: 17 May 2003
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08-08-2005 16:06
From: Ardith Mifflin I actually found out that one of the people I knew in-world was a minor, and that they were being transferred to the TG. They didn't have a lot of money, but they had some very nice items which they had personally made. As a creator, I very much doubt that he'd have stayed in SL if his inventory had been wiped. Though certainly the minors have violated the rules by joining, I don't think a largely punitive action like purging their inventories is appropriate. Yes, but the inventory may also contain items not available to others on the teen grid - and even adult items. That is where the unfairness (and potential problems) of it comes in.
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blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
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08-08-2005 16:08
It also brings up an interesting question of ownership.
I really don't get how it is that we own yet they can delete it at will and we can't even create backups.
What a curious definition of ownership.
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David Cartier
Registered User
Join date: 8 Jun 2003
Posts: 1,018
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08-08-2005 16:32
From: ZsuZsanna Raven What I would like to know is how is it even possible for someone to transfer items from the MG to the TG? I know of several people who've made up "care packages" of clothing, furniture, textures and acceptable avs, all with full perms, and sent them to the Teen Grid via Blue Linden. Apparently they don't have much at all there yet. I don't see why you couldn't send one to a particular individual, but I would direct it through a Linden. |
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Lance Mirabeau
Pees in the shower
Join date: 23 Jul 2005
Posts: 108
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08-08-2005 16:43
From: blaze Spinnaker It also brings up an interesting question of ownership.
I really don't get how it is that we own yet they can delete it at will and we can't even create backups.
What a curious definition of ownership. The only thing you own, by the ToS, is IP rights to your creations.
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Min Unsung
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Join date: 30 Mar 2005
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08-08-2005 16:46
That brings up an interesting question. I am an adult and my kids are eager to do the SL thing and will qualify for the teen grid soon. Since they will have to use my credit card and mailing info would they NOT be allowed access because it might appear that I myself was trying to get into the teen grid? How would that work? hmmmm
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Tya Fallingbridge
Proud Prim Whore
Join date: 28 Aug 2003
Posts: 790
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08-08-2005 16:48
I am just a lil curious to know how this 'new designer" on the teen grid web page got that skin.. I am almost 100 percert sure that this is found on the main grid....
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Lance Mirabeau
Pees in the shower
Join date: 23 Jul 2005
Posts: 108
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08-08-2005 16:50
From: Tyra Fallingbridge I am just a lil curious to know how this 'new designer" on the teen grid web page got that skin.. I am almost 100 percert sure that this is found on the main grid.... - From: David Cartier I know of several people who've made up "care packages" of clothing, furniture, textures and acceptable avs, all with full perms, and sent them to the Teen Grid via Blue Linden. Apparently they don't have much at all there yet. I don't see why you couldn't send one to a particular individual, but I would direct it through a Linden.
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Tya Fallingbridge
Proud Prim Whore
Join date: 28 Aug 2003
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08-08-2005 16:51
I highly doubt .. someone would give away their skins .... |
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katykiwi Moonflower
Esquirette
Join date: 5 Dec 2003
Posts: 1,489
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08-08-2005 16:56
From: Min Unsung That brings up an interesting question. I am an adult and my kids are eager to do the SL thing and will qualify for the teen grid soon. Since they will have to use my credit card and mailing info would they NOT be allowed access because it might appear that I myself was trying to get into the teen grid? How would that work? hmmmm I wonder what kind of supervision of their minor children in the teen grid will be afforded to MG members. For example, are there separate land auctions for minors. Under US law a minor can rescind any contract, so wouldnt parental consent be required for land purchase in the TG? Just how active could a parent become with land speculation in the TG. |
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Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,416
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08-08-2005 16:57
From: Cristiano Midnight Yes, but the inventory may also contain items not available to others on the teen grid - and even adult items. That is where the unfairness (and potential problems) of it comes in. I think the presence of items from the main grid help provide inspiration and creative focus to the teen grid denizens. These items help them see what's possible. Forcing them to rediscover every trick or technique which has been discovered here on the main grid seems to be the most unfair option. |
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Lance Mirabeau
Pees in the shower
Join date: 23 Jul 2005
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08-08-2005 16:59
From: Tya Fallingbridge I highly doubt .. someone would give away their skins .... If they can't sell it on the Teen Grid, why not?
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Aliasi Stonebender
Return of Catbread
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
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08-08-2005 17:24
From: Lance Mirabeau If they can't sell it on the Teen Grid, why not? And there's quite a few fairly nice skins that are getting sold for very little anyway; why wouldn't a skin designer maybe show some goodwill?
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Min Unsung
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Join date: 30 Mar 2005
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08-08-2005 17:34
From: katykiwi Moonflower I wonder what kind of supervision of their minor children in the teen grid will be afforded to MG members. For example, are there separate land auctions for minors. Under US law a minor can rescind any contract, so wouldnt parental consent be required for land purchase in the TG? Just how active could a parent become with land speculation in the TG. Yeah good point, and I have, and always will, monitor my kids on-line EVEN and especially on the teen grid if they ever do join. Then I will be an adult POSSIBLY having some sort of interaction with teens on the teen grid. Ack this makes my head hurt. LL has to do their damndest to protect the kids but parents and guardians are ultimately responsible. Will my hands be tied and will I possibly jeapordize MY SL account if this isn't handled well? Ahh I think maybe they can just skip SL. I should have ONE place just for me  |
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Min Unsung
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Join date: 30 Mar 2005
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08-08-2005 17:35
From: Ardith Mifflin I think the presence of items from the main grid help provide inspiration and creative focus to the teen grid denizens. These items help them see what's possible. Forcing them to rediscover every trick or technique which has been discovered here on the main grid seems to be the most unfair option. Yup I agree 100% |
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Alondria LeFay
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Join date: 2 May 2003
Posts: 725
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08-08-2005 17:41
Why the heck did they utilize the same asset server in the first place!? It is already taxed enough, without adding an additional world to it. Seperate out the grids, including the asset server and problem solved!
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Eboni Khan
Misanthrope
Join date: 17 Mar 2004
Posts: 2,133
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08-08-2005 18:10
If adults who create accounts on the teen grid will have their accounts immediately deleted, does that mean teens with accounts on both grids will have their accounts immediately deleted?
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Isablan Neva
Mystic
Join date: 27 Nov 2004
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08-08-2005 18:34
From: Tya Fallingbridge I am just a lil curious to know how this 'new designer" on the teen grid web page got that skin.. I am almost 100 percert sure that this is found on the main grid.... Which brings up the secondary question...should anatomically correct skins be allowed on the TG??? If those are being sent from the MG.....
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