Adults on Teen Grid

I pitty the Second Life member.

The policy says" Any adult who knowingly contacts or sends content to a teen..."
The key word is "Knowingly"

And you had no way of knowing that the person was sent to the TG. I mean, what are they gonna do, fly up the flags and IM everyone on the kid's MG friends that they've been moved to the TG? Oh, wouldn't that be a violation of the TToS right there?

Isnt this kind of thing TG proponents Insisted Couldnt happen when we were protesting the idea of a Teen Grid?

I think the only connection from MG to TG should have been they were both on the internet and maybe the computers involved were in the same building.


MMORPGs have maintained Totaly seperate Servers for years - why is it so hard for SL to do so?

Yes that rule also applies to transfer of items.
Cubey trasnfered (returned) after knowledge
Chip Communicaetd back. Just to be the nice guy he is.

Not sugesting either be banned ifnact if they are I'll be standing in line to play "Kick the Linden". Just wanting clarity on the rules in situations such as these. So "I" as an adult don't get banned for breaking a rule that seems to be unclear or grey.

they are using our asset servers, to contact them we just im, we can send stuff apparently. WTG LL nice security system you have in place. How the hell would we know if somenoe is a teen or not if we are contacted for anything in our inventories.

What a fricken joke. Waits to see who in this thread is banned for admitting to already breaking the rules.

For the record, I don't think any of them should be, the teens never belonged on our grid hidden or not to begin with, period. Oh ya and LL um "I told you so"

Yes what a fricken joke.

the more I think about it, the more I think Teen's account access should be suspended in entirety until the grids will actually be seperate - as promised.

I was under the impression everything was separate but apparently isn't. Protecting the teens from us evil Adults was of upmost importance to LL. Apparently it's not how we were told. I see a major issue in the fact that items and IMs can be sent between the grids. I'd also like to know how all of a sudden the sneaky teens who got in the MG to begin with have 'miraculously' been found out and migrated over to the TG. LL obviously knew about them in the first place. I guess now that they have the TG they can just transfer them over there instead of banning the accts totally...easier to make money that way

Well I think the ability to IM and Transfer Property across the the grids should be eliminated. I suspect that was the lindens attention all along. I don't really think thats cause to shut down the teen grid or suspend accounts, it is simply something that needs to be be worked on immediately.

I think it was correctly pointed out that the active word in the TOS is KNOWINGLY and an inadvertent contact should not pose a problem, other than an slight inconvenience while it is investigated.

This is just part of the teething process, if you will, and I don't see it as something that should undermine the teen grid. And really the problem largely stems from teens who were on the MG surreptitiously and prentended to be, and were realted to as adults. The problem thus far has not been about teens on the teen grid.

The vaguely written announcement about the teen grid gave me pause, too. I was contacted by someone from the teen grid (who also was originally an MG member) asking me about a teen version of Snapzilla. I had some correspondence back and forth to test out receiving postcards from the teen grid with the original sender. I also ran the concept by LL to make sure it was alright (it was), then went ahead with it. I have also been contacted regarding registration and picture submission questions by two other teen grid members as well.

I understand the need to protect teens from predatory adults - I just hope that Linden Lab recognizes that there are legitimate reasons for contact, and that things are not as black and white as that announcment makes it seem - or Chip, Cubey, and I need to be banned.

Cristiano Midnight

You actually bring up an interesting situation that I was wondering how it would work. With groups like your Snapzilla and others like GOM, IGE, SLBoutique, etc That are on teh adult grid but also want to have presence on teh teen grid might be banned by the rules. The way I read it if you want to continue to provide those groups with service you need to have a group of teens to run the show on that end. Obviously this poses a few interesting problems as they will not always be teens...unless they are peter pan or something.

I think they should make you guys half lindens. "Photo Lin" LOL

I think that coreespondance between Teens and Second Life Fan Site holders/contributors should be Out of game. Otherwise it defeats the seperate concept.

No Chip and Cris and Cubey shoud not be banned for what traspired.


As far as cutting teen Grid acess - I did mean only until they fixed this IM/Transfer problem If they Insist on having both grids live on the same network.

This honestly seems the obvious thing LL should have thought of before bringing the TG live. Considering many were worried about the TG for precisely these sorts of things.

Im really diisappointed , actually and it shakes my confidence that other protections were done correctly.


Luckily I had no interest in having my teens play Second Life, so this issue didnt effect me personally.

I think one of the root causes of a lot of this is the fact that upon leaving the teen grid at 18, the account gets transferred to the main grid, inventory and all. Thus, it is necessary to use the same asset server - as assets have unique IDs generated by the system, so it is necessary that those assets be in the asset database. In their current structure, I can't see how they could have two unique asset servers with transfer between them. Perhaps they are working on this and will further separate the grids - but for now, ithey use the same asset server.

A couple of things:

1) All of my contact has been outside of SL - I was contacted via email.
2) Thank you for not wanting us banned
3) The access between the two grids is pretty severely restricted already. The one loophole is that keys can be used to send IMs via script. Also, I am not sure how Cubey was able to IM someone - I know you cannot pull up a teen grid account in Finder and send an IM - perhaps if he already had their card and they were transferred, it did not break the link (or maybe sent an IM through their object by pulling up a profile that way) - those are just the kinds of things that need to be tightened because of the shared asset server.

Overall, I think they have handled it amazingly well (though this announcement was poorly handled). There are places they need improvement (like the crazy transfer policy, it just needs to stop immediately) but by and large, they have handled it as they should.

So all these ppl who have been in contact with teens. Did you go threw an extensive background check as LL said you would have to do or did you not go threw the extensive background check? Yes or no?

Cat

In as much as the identified contacts wee inadvertent, with people beleived to be adults, I doubt very much they went through a background check. Nor is it necessary. I would imagine that protocol is in place for the lindens who regularly work on the TG and interact with teens.

As stated in this thread, at least one person had permission to contact a teen on the teen grid from LL. I will not name names. I am asking if they went threw an extensive background check as LL had promissed they would have to do in order to interact with teens.

I said that I cleared the concept of processing teen grid snapshots with LL, specifically Robin Harper, before moving forward with it. No, I was not subject to a background check as I have no access to the teen grid itself, or contact with anyone inside of it. Contact outside of Linden Lab's servers are not in any way under their control.

"The access between the two grids is pretty severely restricted already. The one loophole is that keys can be used to send IMs via script."

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Oh so its ok to email the teens and talk to them in say yahoo IM, as long as LL says its ok. How is that different than interacting in world? Chat is chat.

I was contacted by PM here on the forum, not by in world IM and I'm not sure how they were able to do that... don't really care either. It was harmless.

I tend to think a strict no contact policy is a bit over the top. I can understand if LL doesn't want it done using their servers or forums but I think TG members should be able to ask questions on 3rd party sites and receive answers about scripting, texturing or other kinds of advice. Kids and adults should be wary of predators but to have a knee jerk policy based on the paranoid notion that any contact at all is simply too risky seems, well... paranoid.

I asked for clarification about this because I was concerned about it as well - I did not seek out being contacted, Catherine, even for something as innocuous as the teen grid pictures. The answer I received was that outside of SL, communications are at our own risks. The only thing LL can control and enforce is communication within their own servers. It is not illegal for an adult to talk to a minor, except sexually.

I imagine the way that they contacted you is by the fact that they are using the exact same forums we are - thus they could just fill in your name into the private message box. That is yet another loophole if they want to lock down any communications on their servers.

Absolutly nothing is a bit over the top when we are talking about protecting kids. Hell no I won't trust anyone in this community enough to chat privatly with my kid or grandkids. That is asking way too much of any parent who gives a damn about their kids online safety.

I don't give a damn how respected they are in the community I would hunt them down like a dog. Count on it.

Mom's mad as a wet hen!

Really now? This from the person who was close friends with a minor in SL? Better report yourself then, Catherine. Bring it on, Cubey, Chip nor myself have done anything - so you are just huffing and puffing for absolutely no reason. Don't pretend it is about anything else than just your usual drama.

Hey, you sold your islands. Is Mom mad enough to finally keep her promises and leave? We have been waiting for months and you promise almost every week Mom doesn't tell the truth