Wwiiol Pwned You!

heh there was a HUGE firefight in hawthorn. in the WWIOLers army base. people came over to us and whined at us, and came back with guns blaring. we fought back and eventually pwned them all. ALL. muhaha. feel the WRATH

and our neighbors said they didnt want any battles goin on there. oh well, they start the battle we finish it. can't wait for tomorrow eh shnitzel?

heh we'll be ready

lol why would anyone move to the outlands and not want any gun fights next store?

A long time ago in a land far away, land in the outlands was inexpensive (when land had a tiered cost) and there was a lot of open space. People moved there because it was quiet and inexpensive. Gun fights were organized events rather than random.

Please don't assume that just any outlands resident is interested in being picked off just because they are there.

The attack wasn't provoked.

We really don't want to destroy "your" style of gameplay, but there is a force here unlike anything any game has ever seen. Killing people is the last of our concern if they pay "protection" fees.

Bite your lip, smile real big, and write us a check.....Then we will all live in peace.

You don't want the hammer.

In a society of no laws, and when we WIIOLers are murderous freaks who care for nothing but world domination , do you think we care that you don't?

Not trying to be rude, but, when we get to throw human decency to the wind, we do it, and with a vengance. Don't cross paths with us if dying is not your cup of tea.

Once again, in a game such as this (simulation, perhaps?) anything is possible, and permissable within the rules. It's dangerous to be somewhere without law, and no one to enforce that law. WE may change that some day...
<Dr. Evil Laugh>

just out of curiosity, mostly sparked by the postes in this thread, would you guys consider yourself griefers? Or is it more of a pack mentality that has become a little more malevolent. Think Lord of the Flies. I.e. did you guys come to SL planning on doing this, or did it kind of evolve as you learned what you could do?

Seriously this is just a question, because i am interested in what brought on this mentality. If it is griefing, then well that is what it is, and well that isn't that interesting. But if it is a direct product of the combination of anarchy, per Eukeyant's post, and the human pack mentality... well it is something worth looking into, given that SL is about the forming of community/ies.

I have always wanted to live in a Free Fire Zone and in my second life I have chosen to live in an area where anything goes. I just hope it never gets to the point of WMDs being shoot across the neighborhood. Also the Guide clearly states that the outlands are a dangerous place. Clearly when this game goes gold it will become a VERY dangerous place.

i moved from Hawthorne because of ppl like you.. i want the peace and quiet the outlands offered to me.. yeah i've had to put up with being sniped at but from what i heard today about this so called war... ya'll started it.. i couldn't even get into Hawthorne today for all the ppl on the server.. but all i had to was flaot at the Sim limits to get shot at and i wasn't even apart of this so-called war you said was porvoked. i was just coming to see what was going on... you have to live with the ppl you have build near as we all do... what good does it do to make everyone around you hate you right off the bat.

I don't think anyone coming from WWIIOL would consider themselves griefers. We come from a World War II sim, and we like war and everything that comes with it. For the most
part everyone who play/posts in the off topic forum is rather intelligent. And as a whole HATE cheaters/griefers. By the post you might think that we are a bunch of kids but really
we are mainly 20-30 years old, with a kids mentality.

We arent griefers but it seemed like some of the people attacking us might be.

We are all new here. We decided to get together, find some land in a mature rated zone, and build a base. We dont know one neighborhood from another so dont think we moved in next door expressly to annoy you.

So a dozen of us found some land and started building our base. Deeblue and a couple other people, seeing a dozen guys dressed in camo and carrying guns moving in next door, decide to come over and basically pick a fight with us. They told us this is a quiet neighborhood and our sort wasnt welcome there.

Smoove.

After we reacted in a predictable way to this (we basically told them to get bent) we returned to building our base.

About 10 minutes later, our peace-loving neighbors attacked us enmasse, without warning, and unprovoked. Makes sense to me...I know if I was trying to avoid firefights in my neighborhood, I'd pre-emptively attack the new guys wearing camo and carrying guns, too.

You folks COULD have tried to make friends with us. Now instead of being our friends, you are our new targets. Happy?

We are. We all had a blast last night. Kudos to all involved...hope we can do it again real soon.

Avondell

PS: btw, we told all our friends about this battle over at WW2OL. Expect our numbers to double today....this game is pretty cool

I think the one main attracting point for this game is that ANYTHING goes.

I believe it was stated this game is open and tries to nuture all play styles: Explorer, Killer, Socializer, Achiever (and the mixes).

It might be the only game where you can actually set up a protection racket. Or do anything else you feel.

Of course if people don't like what is happening out there then an opposing police force can be assembled to stop us.

Sounds like fun to me.

OK AVONDELL
So I know who you are from WWIIONLINE but who are the other ALLIES who have come over. You should know that ToT has been here for almost a month with over 30 members.Take a look at our group - we call ourselves the Knights Templar here, but we are all ToT in WWIIONLINE.

We also live out in the Outlands, in Federal where we have been building bunkers and weapons and trying to learn our way around this new world.

But AVONDELL we have managed to try to fit in with the group here without alienating anyone. This is a wonderful place and has lots of potential. We are developing a large PVP combat area with many of the capture the AB qualities of WWIIONLINE. Now that some of our natural "enemies" from WWIIONLINE have shown up maybe we can work together to develop the combat sim concept a bit, but I might suggest that you try to get along with the other SL residents. Cooperation goes a long way here in Second Life.

By the way we are running a TeamSpeak server which was set up by Second Panzer for the residents of Second Life. Take a look on the forum for the SL Teamspeak server thread..

Look for me in world as well as some of the other 2nd Panzer guys. You will see lots of us in Federal.

Sturm Valen
Sturm22
1st ToT 2nd Panzer Division

Greetings WW2OL brothers and sisters, I am reporting for duty to protect our way of life, where is the parachuting dogs?

I think we saw your place last night.

Seriously, we didnt spawn in guns blazing. Re-read my post. We didnt come in trying to make enemies, we just wanted to find a piece of land and build our base. Knowing the 1st ToT guys as I do, I have no doubt you'd have reacted the same as we did. We were taken under fire and we returned fire.

I dont have a problem trying to get along with people, but a couple of these people didnt seem like they wanted to get along with us. As I said, we didnt fire the first shot...we were attacked by a large group of players, we returned fire, eventually routed the attackers, and proceeded to secure our perimeter.

Now, I KNOW Shilling taught you guys how to fight. What did we do wrong, exactly? Pick the wrong place to build? Fine, come tell us nicely, dont pick a fight.

I feel bad for the innocent bystanders that got caught in the crossfire....but virtually every one there was attacking us. It was a warzone and we didnt exactly start the war.

Today is another day. It could be a peaceful day....or not. We could negotiate a truce...or not. But we arent going to let our neighbors try and push us around. If we are attacked again today, we will fight back. I think most of us are more interested in getting our bunker built and exploring the world and learning the game at this point.

But if we are attacked, we WILL fight back.

Avondell

i haven't been part of your gun battles, or anyones for that matter. I was just curious given the antagonistic undertones in the thread about your own images of yourself and your group as a whole. purely information gathering, no judgement here.

You have admirable energy, it should be interesting to see how you evolve.

Have a care: if enough players decide that you are impacting their enjoyment of the game with things like protection fee extortion, terrorist acts or intrusive noise and weaponry, there are precedents to show that your group can be handled at the administrative level. To my knowledge, SL is focused on community interaction, cooperation, and expression. Not war and death.

You may disagree, and of course that's ok. But if you're not aware, being in the outlands doesn't mean people can't just shut off your ability to produce objects or run scripts (like weapon/projectiles). If enough people band together against you, you may find your weapons useless, your attractions unvisited, no votes coming in, your events unattended, your attempts to get involved in other projects thwarted, your objects for sale unbought, and people universally rating your group members (or anybody known to deal with them) negatively...all without firing a shot at you or giving you a target. This means no money to build or pay taxes, which means your existing structures will rot and be lootable, or people will just come onto your now public land and buy it out from under you. In the end, your war may be confined to a small patch of land in a remote area that you can afford, and your target may have to be yourself.

And that'd be a shame. ,

Actually, I came over there and first simply asked what was going on, what you guys were building, what kinda stuff you had in mind.

The responses I got from various members of your group were "We're building an army base" "We are gonna kill people for money" "We are gonna have wars right here", etc.

Fair enough, it's The Outlands, I was mad that you setup literally inches away from my very peaceful art gallery/store where people like to come and relax, but whatever y'know.. It IS the outlands, I moved there knowing full well that it was a "no mans land" style area.

So after hearing your intentions, and seeing/hearing the -ridiculous- gunfight you'd had moments earlier outside my place before starting to build your base, I merely said that it would NOT be cool if you ended up having wars INSIDE my house, and that I wanted you to respect my bit of land.

The response I got from you was hostile and you made it very clear that you were gonna whatever the hell you want, and if killing people inside my house was fun, then that's what you were gonna do, and there was nothing I could do about it whatsoever.

Then insulting comments were made along the lines of "Our Neighbor is Richard Simmons!", and I later found a lovely sign hanging over my house saying "Our neighbor Richard Simmons, pwned by blah blah blah blah". Reeeeal mature.



So you're damn right I'm gonna retaliate after you violated my hard work with a stupid sign, flagrantly ignoring my simple requests.

I tried to just say 'what's up' and let you know that I simply did not want any fighting to take place inside my house, but you shoved all that back in my face.


Still... whatever really. You guys came here to fight and kill people. All I'm personally ever gonna do is play you at your own game, give you a taste of your own medicine sort of thing.

No sense in you crying over it... Afterall, it IS the outlands, right?

I wasn't there but I can't believe the group I'm in acted like that.

Guys this is a nice game. Don't ruin it by being mean to people.

Debbus I read there are scripts to stop guns and stuff, you could put it on your building.

I'll give you that, Deeblue. We responded to you because of the way you interacted with us. You said a few hostile things yourself.

I was rather surprised at your approach to your new neighbors. Seeing a possiblity of trouble, you escalated the situation. We arent neanderthals, dude. We can be friends too. Thats the approach I'd have used if a dozen guys in camo and carrying weapons showed up next door. You catch more flys with honey and all that.

I noticed you participated in our little firefight, too...so really, if you dont want a fight in your neighborhood, why'd you pick up a gun and start shooting at us?

As I said, this is another day. We got off on the bad foot yesterday? (I actually had a blast! S!) Well today is another day. We can either snipe at each other and harden this little tiff, or we can get to know each other a little and try to have a little tolerance for each other. Its a two way street, though.

I am not the leader of the WW2OLers, but I can suggest a cease-fire. We can start over and try being nicer to each other. If you want.

If you just hate us and want to drive us out, cool! You can do that too...I'm sure it'll be fun, whatever you decide.

Avondell

It's "Deeblue", and there are lots of things I could do to prevent such actions, but the fact is, it's a simple matter of respect, or to be more specific, the LACK of respect certain people have for those around them in the game.

Sure I can disable other people's scripts on my land, but I like it when people come over to show me new things they've been working on. I shouldn't have to stifle my experience because someone can't stop acting like a primate.

I didn't see any of the fighting but i sure heard it, and i'm in Stanford, and also heard about it through a few people.

I'm SOOOOOOOOo glad i moved (used to live next to dee) hehe. The mountains are so peaceful (for now).

My question, is that i'm wondering if you all were serious in the threat of demanding money for 'protection'?

Just curious

Welcome to the outlands! I think...

You speak of respect and then call us primates in the same breath?

Guys! Don't fight! Our first day and the group already has a bad reputation.

Let's not be hostile or anything! Be kind to everyone.