I have been Suspended

Aces,
I know what you mean hun. I went to the Lindens for help after being neg rated...by a very angry individual who had been slandering and harrassing me and my friends...and our sin? Cancelling her stupid card. that's IT! And I and my friends recieved NO help. well...there ya have it hun. You have to protect yourself as best you can. Don't count on any help from "them". You won't get it. Now my friends and I have to live with ratings we didnt even earn. The head case just decided to lash out because she was caught slandering us in her profile...a direct violation of the TOS, as I have been informed. But don't count on the Lindens for support. It won't be there. Hmmmm....guess they forgot who REALLY signs their paychecks, eh?

Well the thing i've learned today is never to report anyone , cause it might turn out the other way around.

Yes there's always once in a lifetime you meet someone who wants to ruin your day.
(by creating lag on your land , shooting people away, trashing you)

Best solution to that is to buy a robot.
Just add the guy's name to the enemy list and the robot will shoot a rocket to the enemy and eventualy kill him , and then he'll TP to his home destination.

Eventualy he can keep trying to get on your land....but there's no way he can get past the robot.


And i don't really think being shot into space + a lot of lag from the rockets makes people feel very welcome either.

...Likewise.

which i agree with, but i know that it takes a lot of time.

Aces, this sucks. From reading through the thread I can tell how much you feel this is unfair.

I have had people do the very same thing - harass me and try to make me swear - because it's one rule that the Lindens consistantly enforce. the real lesson to learn is that we have to keep our temper when dealing with griefers; after all, this is what they feed off of. It's not easy, for sure.

On the other hand, I've also been able to turn this around and reported griefers for swearing in PG sims.

Take your medicine and stop crying. Nobody gets banned for nothing. I've been banned and at first I didn't understand the mechanics but I knew I did wrong and accepted it. Go ahead and protest in the welcome area all you want but it wont amount to squat. As far as griefers go, I love griefing people, but as most folk know taking away the ability to be griefed is the only solution to dealing with a griefer, we have short attention spans.

Once again, Hiro the hero misspeaks... with authority...

I know that this is NOT the one rule that is consistently enforced. I have been in the Welcome Area, with Lee Linden, Char and a third whose name escapes me right now... There was cursing and none of the three of them said a word about it publicly - though the cursing occured multiple times, from the same three residents, over a period of more than 15 minutes - so the chances that none of the Lindens heard it or saw it in the chat window seems pretty slim.

Stick to stating what you KNOW to be a FACT, Hiro.. You won't look so ignorant.

Aces.. I feel for ya.. I was going to talk with you at Tribal Drums today but was bummed and didn't go.

Way to turn a support thread for Aces into a platform for your hatred, Korg.

Did anyone actually REPORT the cursing at the welcome area?
I'm assuming LL operates on "no report, no harm done... no harm done, no action needed"

Edit: Also you said "publicly" - LL has stated that no punishments / reprimands / warnings will be made public by LL. So... of course not.

There you go again.. assuming... making a fool of yourself.. not dealing in facts but your own "assumptions" and reasoning from possibly flawed premises. Figures.

As for supporting Aces... check the thread.. I supported Aces before you got here you putz.

Hugs aces...

Well Hiro, it turned into much more than that although I agree with you.
Maybe we do need self government> For petes's sake, you have no idea how much that stresses me.
What say you Robin? Phil?

I find it increasingly frustrating that you don't seem to want to clarify.

We pay your salary, the least you can is tell us were you stand on this issue.

.I don't expect an answer to be honest. Precedents speak clearly.

I'm afraid LL's decision isn't quite as logical as it might appear. According to information on this very web site, someone has a clean sheet when no offenses are commited within the last six months. I quote from their page on http://secondlife.com/community/volunteer.php :

"Live Helpers must be at least 90-days old with a clean Linden Rapsheet (no offenses in the last six months). "

I think to include the Januari 2004 reprimande is contrary to what LL publishes here. According to these guidelines, Aces had a clean Linden Rapsheet.

I'm afraid LL's decision isn't quite as logical as it might appear. According to information on this very web site, someone has a clean sheet when no offenses are commited within the last six months. I quote from their page on http://secondlife.com/community/volunteer.php :

"Live Helpers must be at least 90-days old with a clean Linden Rapsheet (no offenses in the last six months). "

I think to include the Januari 2004 reprimande is contrary to what LL publishes here. According to these guidelines, Aces had a clean Linden Rapsheet.

Not to mention, isn't it unfair to assume someone is guilty just because they did something a long time ago and were warned? The ideal of a punitive system is to reform people so they stop doing unmutual things, if you assume they're going to keep doing it and all you're doing is keeping a closer eye on them, then the system is flawed.

I've never been warned or anything, but I assume from all the bad brushes I've had with people that I've got dozens and dozens of abuse reports that they haven't acted upon yet. I shudder to think, what they'll assume I am guilty of thanks to my storied past.

And before anyone says I'm just blindly supporting Aces, well I really don't know her, and I realize that the Lindens must've got a transcript automatically with the abuse report so there has to be something to it. But, the particulars of this case particularly that they never forgive transgressions and that they increase the scope of punishment, worries me.

By that logic, and making the illogical assumption that SL will run on forever, we'd all eventually be banned for life.

Are the forums fucking *PG* too?

Don't appear to be as most people can say whatever the fuck they fucking want here.

Not that I fucking care, I am all all about expression, whatever form it takes, short of hypocrisy and self righteousness. Disagree with the wrong person or start the wrong thread and you're fucking shut down.

Please enter my name on the do not fucking disturb list.

How in fucknation am I supposed to know whether the fucker I'm IMing is in a fucking PG sim or not?! o.O

That's one fucked up policy. If some fucker doesnt like profanity in my private IMs to them, they need only fucking say so. IM's aren't 'global'. They're private person to person conversations. And since I know full fucking well that people DO NOT stick to PG language in IMs, this is yet another LL policy applied that smacks of double standards. Any excuse, huh, LL? Whatever works at the time to get what the Linden-in-charge wants as the outcome.

I eventually had to buy one for my property.

Ah, another interesting thread trashed by folks who can't think of anything more intelligent to say than rambling obscenities. Really people, you don't enhance your rep or make people think any more of you by inserting useless, obscene or hate posts in threads. Why not spend your time trying to post helpful things instead? Such hatefulness really is unnecessary.

Ah, another typical holier than thou post pouring scorn on other people's opinions and methods of expressing them because they cant think of anything more intelligent to say. Really, people, you don't enhance your rep or make people think any more of you by appearing morally superior to everyone else. Why not spend your time trying to post helpful things instead? Such self righteousness really is unnecessary.

What are you talking about?

((Hugs)) for Aces, sorry this happend hun.

I cant say much else as my language would be filled with obcenities and explicite descriptive termonology.

You know I don't want a Player Run Government however Maybe we do need a Judicial System. In addition to that with the Judicial system a Random Selection of Members of SL to be jurors at the time of the court hearing.

Another thing. Private Information needs to be kept confidential. However, I think after a public hearing and sentencing then the information on the actions of individuals avatar at the time should be made Public Knowledge.

Another thing is why do we even have PG sims and Mature ones? I mean seriously, in the old days it was needed but we have grown past that. RL isnt PG or Mature.

We have denoted many times before we do not want "Childeren" in Second Life ..why is it we are having to act like we are dealing with 7th graders.

This seriously makes one want to rethink thier positions on things but not just yet.

Take care and best wishes Aces
((Hugs)) Shadow

You must be new to the forums.

She is a live helper? Or are you saying this refers to everyone? The fact that in order to become a live helper you are required to be clean for 6 months and the fact that this offense has happened before are two completely different things. A clean slate does not necessarily mean that other offenses are not taken into consideration. It just means that they won't hurt you when applying for positions with Linden Labs such as Live Helpers.

I'm also sorry to hear that..that is unfair!

I don't agree. What you are suggesting is that to become a Live Helper a shorter "memory span" is used then for other players. I would expect it to be the other way around.

Besides that, it states what LL defines by a clean Rapsheet. No reference that it would only apply to potential Live Help members.