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Pleze Playfair
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11-29-2004 17:21
From: Sensual Casanova
I think the key words are "directed" and "threatening", as the Linden explained it wasnt so much the cussing.


Wow what did you say to this person Aces Spade?

I would have been pissed too.
Pirate Cotton
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11-29-2004 17:23
Looks like we're seeing a clear failure in how the policing is being administered.

Policing should be:
- public (like it is in the paper)
- reasoned
- reliable

It seems this isn't happening.

If it's not 100% public and transparent then there are always going to be questions. A Linden should be stating where this bad language report came from.

It's also not reasoned. I think harasment is worse than verbal abuse but we hear nothing about the first guy (see point one. Was he banned? Told off? No idea) and only about poor old Aces who said a naughty word. Sometimes the spirit of the law is more important than the letter of the law.

And from the reports it doesn't seem the policing is reliable. That just is training and agreeing on the kind of standards the Lindens want.
Sensual Casanova
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11-29-2004 17:27
Well the Lindens get chat logs and screenshots usually when a report is filed...

Also what was the "griefer" doing that bothered you so bad Aces? I think I missed that part..
Aces Spade
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11-29-2004 17:28
From: Pleze Playfair
Wow what did you say to this person Aces Spade?

I would have been pissed too.


i honestly don't remember what i said i was angry but i never threatened anyone i didn't even neg rate him fgs i just wanted him to leave me alone :confused:
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Aces Spade
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11-29-2004 17:30
From: Sensual Casanova
Well the Lindens get chat logs and screenshots usually when a report is filed...

Also what was the "griefer" doing that bothered you so bad Aces? I think I missed that part..

Read my first post
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Posted by ZsuZsanna Raven
So where is the "i don't give a shit'' option?
Sensual Casanova
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11-29-2004 17:30
From: Aces Spade
i honestly don't remember what i said i was angry but i never threatened anyone i didn't even neg rate him fgs i just wanted him to leave me alone :confused:


I am sorry Aces but if it was anything like the things you told me when I was a noob... well I think 3 days isn't so bad=/
Sensual Casanova
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11-29-2004 17:31
From: Aces Spade
Read my first post


I did, it says he "harrassed" you.
Pleze Playfair
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11-29-2004 17:32
From: Pirate Cotton
Looks like we're seeing a clear failure in how the policing is being administered.

Policing should be:
- public (like it is in the paper)
- reasoned
- reliable

It seems this isn't happening.

If it's not 100% public and transparent then there are always going to be questions. A Linden should be stating where this bad language report came from.

It's also not reasoned. I think harasment is worse than verbal abuse but we hear nothing about the first guy (see point one. Was he banned? Told off? No idea) and only about poor old Aces who said a naughty word. Sometimes the spirit of the law is more important than the letter of the law.

And from the reports it doesn't seem the policing is reliable. That just is training and agreeing on the kind of standards the Lindens want.


They did catch her doing this before in Jan. I would imagine they believed she was capable of and had very likely done it again would be reason enough for a banning. They took the other person's report of this. In SL It appears that 3 strikes aren't required to be out , but only 2 is enough.

I do not know Aces or this other person so I'm not taking sides. LL's decision seems logical.
Aces Spade
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11-29-2004 17:32
From: Sensual Casanova
I am sorry Aces but if it was anything like the things you told me when I was a noob... well I think 3 days isn't so bad=/


aww i am sorry :(
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Posted by ZsuZsanna Raven
So where is the "i don't give a shit'' option?
Sensual Casanova
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11-29-2004 17:35
From: Aces Spade
aww i am sorry :(


I am not worried about it now, and I am not trying to upset you or go against you, but I have expierenced first hand what it is like when you are angry... and to be honest.. I was ready to leave SL cus I thought everyone was that mean... Typical red head, short tempered hehe.
Aces Spade
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11-29-2004 17:38
From: Sensual Casanova
I am not worried about it now, and I am not trying to upset you or go against you, but I have expierenced first hand what it is like when you are angry... and to be honest.. I was ready to leave SL cus I thought everyone was that mean... Typical red head, short tempered hehe.

Sensual.. i do not want to get into what happend a year ago.. lets stick to the subject at hand shall we?
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Sensual Casanova
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11-29-2004 17:41
From: Aces Spade
Sensual.. i do not want to get into what happend a year ago.. lets stick to the subject at hand shall we?


I think it is on subject Aces, you are accusing the Lindens of suspending you with out reason....
Aces Spade
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11-29-2004 17:49
From: Sensual Casanova
I think it is on subject Aces, you are accusing the Lindens of suspending you with out reason....



sensual- i am not, as i said in another post i might have swore and cussed at this person out of anger from what he was doing to me for 4 hours ok? that's why i was banned
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Postmark Jensen
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11-29-2004 17:50
Has anyone been to a PG rated movie lately? Here there be swear wyrds...

Repetitive, flagrant disregard for other's peace would be grounds for punitive measures. Bleeping every once in a while shouldn't be. If terms of decency are to be based on G rating standards, then that should be spelled out. PG means parental guidance, which means that not everything will be peaches and cream, and it is up to a parent to exercise judgement and careful consideration. To me, in SL, we are all adults by Linden Law, thus we should be the ones to exercise judgement and consideration of what happens around us. In the case that a situation escalates beyond our, that is the citizens', control, then the Linden folk need be brought in. Up to that point it is our responsibility as intelligent, presumably mature folk to handle most situations ourselves. Especially since the Law is enforced by a handful of people for a few thousand citizens.

My suggestion is that if a situation escalates like that, press Ctrl+Shift+A and record it while being as pleasant as possible. Then get a copy to the Linden's to support your case. In the meantime, turn the other cheek and as you're being pummeled, think of ways to fix what seems to be an inefficient system.
Sensual Casanova
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11-29-2004 18:03
So the forum mob decided to attack, once again with out knowing the full story... how lovely.... I really hope the Lindens get paid extremley well... *sighs*
Cutter Rubio
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11-29-2004 18:32
Righting the wrongs of injustice, for truth, justice and the American Way -- oh, wait, that's Superman. :D

In any event, the protest is underway and will continue until Aces is back!
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Aces Spade
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11-29-2004 18:34
From: Cutter Rubio
Righting the wrongs of injustice, for truth, justice and the American Way -- oh, wait, that's Superman. :D

In any event, the protest is underway and will continue until Aces is back!


HAHA omg how nice i almost spit my soup LOL
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Posted by ZsuZsanna Raven
So where is the "i don't give a shit'' option?
Cubey Terra
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11-29-2004 18:40
From: Cutter Rubio
Free Aces Spade!


Free Aces? Oooh! I'll take two! :D
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David Gilman
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11-29-2004 18:45
From: Cubey Terra
Free Aces? Oooh! I'll take two! :D


I triple that one..

sry about whats goin on Aces... seems liek the lindens made a BIG mistake. :(
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MrsJakal Suavage
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11-29-2004 19:17
This is what I don't understand, aren't we encouraged when a thread is locked to take it to PM or IW IM???

For example:
Ok, I'm locking this thread - and I wanted to take a moment to remind everyone that the forums are not the proper place to air personal grievances against one another - please refrain from personally attacking someone you don't agree with in the forums. Mute them if you can't bring yourself to ignore them, send them a private message or talk to them inworld. Thank you. ~Jeska Linden
(Used when "Disturbing Encounters with Racism and Threats thread was closed)

You know that the discussion is being fairly heated by the point a thread is locked and then we are encouraged to go IW and IM who we are having conflict with. What is the point if "suspension" is hanging over our heads.

I'm just sooooo confused.

Hope the lift your suspension Aces :)
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Urusula Zapata
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11-29-2004 19:22
Awwww, Aces, I'm sorry to hear that, :( it really sucks.
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Dan Medici
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11-29-2004 19:31
I too was banned for three days today for "assault". It said I violated the TOS in Briarcliff Manor on November 25'th (Thanksgiving) even though I was in NYC and away from my computer that day....


?????
Lance LeFay
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11-29-2004 19:50
Notice, people, that she does say she shot at him and used 'foul' language in a PG sim. The lindens are going by the book on this one, it seems.
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11-29-2004 20:10
Wonder what happened to the griefer? Sounds like fun sport getting a rise out of people if you can do it scott-free!
Lance LeFay
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11-29-2004 20:12
I highly doubt he got off scott-free, but we'll never know unless he tells us, as the results of abuse reports are confidential.
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