Four's Company, Five's a Crowd?

You shift your claim so often it is funny. Let me show you how contradictory you are. One minute you claim it's all about access to the sacred SecondLife.com site, now it is supposedly about access to my site? Make up your mind - the cracks are showing:



Well will you look at that. It's supposedly not about my site, it's about access to the front page of SL.com.



Ah so it is about being shown on my site then? Make up your mind. LOL. Thank you for making me laugh at how silly you can be.

LOL I am glad someone else caught that blatant backtrack.

Yesterday it was Cubey. Today it's Cris again. Whose for lunch tomorrow? Chip? Aimee?

Use your blog. This is not your blog.

To use your great line, it was visible from space.

Today, 02:01 PM Replies: 177
Four's Company, Five's a Crowd?
Views: 2,582
Posted By Cristiano Midnight
LOL I am glad someone else caught that blatant...

LOL I am glad someone else caught that blatant backtrack.
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Today, 02:07 PM Replies: 177
Four's Company, Five's a Crowd?
Views: 2,582
Posted By Nolan Nash
Yesterday it was Cubey. Today it's Cris again....

Yesterday it was Cubey. Today it's Cris again. Whose for lunch tomorrow? Chip? Aimee?

Use your blog. This is not your blog.

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Yesterday, 11:17 PM Replies: 18
(edited) and other Linden Alts posting in the forums?
Views: 473
Posted By Cristiano Midnight
I do find your use of alts hilarious, and the...

I do find your use of alts hilarious, and the fact that you cry foul out of one side of your mouth, and out someone out of the other. Funny funny stuff!

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Forum: General Yesterday, 11:57 PM
Replies: 18
(edited) and other Linden Alts posting in the forums?
Views: 473
Posted By Nolan Nash
It was just a reference to an earlier post, the...

It was just a reference to an earlier post, the one about Betty Book. Nothing controversial, at least not until blaze used it to insinuate that the Lindens in general are running around "alting it...

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Yesterday, 11:14 PM Replies: 47
Interpreting Ratings (take 2)
Views: 740
Posted By Cristiano Midnight
I honestly don't look at their ratings at all - I...

I honestly don't look at their ratings at all - I just deal with them personally. The system is so flawed that it really has no bearing on the individual.
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Forum: General Yesterday, 11:16 PM
Replies: 47
Interpreting Ratings (take 2)
Views: 740
Posted By Nolan Nash This is true for me to an extent as well. Unless...

This is true for me to an extent as well. Unless they give me reason to, I don't pay much attention.

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Forum: General Yesterday, 11:15 PM
Replies: 18
(edited) and other Linden Alts posting in the forums?
Views: 473
Posted By Nolan Nash
Yeah, so tense we feel an overwhelming urge to...

Yeah, so tense we feel an overwhelming urge to post idiotic threads insinuating insidious use of alts by Lindens...

Way to take the ball and run with it. It was his 1st post, hardly "alting it up"....
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Yesterday, 11:17 PM
Replies: 18
(edited) and other Linden Alts posting in the forums?
Views: 473
Posted By Cristiano Midnight
I do find your use of alts hilarious, and the...

I do find your use of alts hilarious, and the fact that you cry foul out of one side of your mouth, and out someone out of the other. Funny funny stuff!
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Forum: General Yesterday, 11:06 PM
Replies: 47
Interpreting Ratings (take 2)
Views: 740
Posted By Nolan Nash
The main thing I look at is negs given. I will...

The main thing I look at is negs given.

I will usually contrast it with account age. If they have been in SL only a few months, and they have given out an inordinate amount of negs, I usually am on...
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Yesterday, 11:14 PM Replies: 47
Interpreting Ratings (take 2)
Views: 740
Posted By Cristiano Midnight
I honestly don't look at their ratings at all - I...

I honestly don't look at their ratings at all - I just deal with them personally. The system is so flawed that it really has no bearing on the individual.

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Anyone see a pattern here?

Yes. Once again people are having to defend themselves against Prok's witchhunt! I'm with you Catherine ... It's despicable what's happening here!

ROFL "I" guess.

Cristiano, they are right not to take any old email that crosses the transom because people send them in private to their friends and relatives.

And if you don't grasp the potential of the front page, I sure do. It's advertising space, and reputational-enhancement space, and you know it as well as I do.

To see it as only playing to non-residents who come and perhaps get a trial account is to not understand the role of a front page on any website. It's not just for future or new users, it's the front page, for God's sake. I don't know how to spell that out to you.

I think it's tremendously important, because not only is is really cool to see all the neat things people are doing on there, it's cool to be able to post to it yourself to show others your neat stuff. That's the very premise on which your Snapzilla is based.

I think it's only reasonable to ask that this all-important game function of show-and-tell not be the exclusive province of one older player in conjunction with Lindens.

I think anybody who has a fan site should have the right to tell the Lindens that they want this function and have the Lindens say, sure, we'll add it to the list.

Every other game I've been in understands the huge importance of the front page and the fan sites and that's why they usually have HUNDREDS of them not just ONE that publishes game screenshots. You ought to realize that Cristiano even if you never leave Mavericks.

I, for one, do not want to spend the time and money making such a site, it's not my area. But I do believe anyone else should be able to make such a site and ask the Lindens to grab from their stream of email TOO.

That's just a normal democratic approach and a pluralistic market.

I imagine it's not a big programming job to make it so that not only [email]pics@sluniverse.com[/email] can be seized for front-page material, but any mail to anyone, if the checkoff is made, can be seized, or, if they aren't going to bring themselves to do this, a certain list of sites that requst that function.

The publication of screenshots from the game should not become the sole province of Linden Labs and one chosen partner.

No matter that SLH and other sites upload screenshots. With this very faciliated and high-profile way of uploading shots, you can assure most people will use your site like a photobucket.com instead of the more cumbersome route of first saving to their hard drive, then uploading.

That shouldn't preclude others from some day getting the advantage of this feature, and the easiest way for doing that is to have the Lindens enable the functions so that anyone sending emails to anyone -- if they check off the box -- will have a chance to be on the front page.

Then you have nothing to worry about. Because it isn't.

Um, there's no morphing or backtracking, just tiny minds incapable of rising up to analytical and conceptual level in understanding my very plain questions and concerns about monopolists of SL-related technology.

First, I'm concerned about access to SL's front page IF IT CHOOSE NOT TO USE SLUNIVERSE.COM AS MY DESTINATION. I'd like to be able to have that freedom. So would others. I'd like LL to open up their front page to ANYONE who checks off a box and sends out a photo, or, if that's too hard for them, to allow at least some list of other sites besides sluniverse.com to engage in the photo publication/front paging business. This is just a normal, pluralistic, free request, and LL thought of it themselves, and even put it in their Hotline answer -- but not coherently enough to understand WHEN and HOW.

Second, I'm concerned about those who access the front page also being able to store, and store even on Sluniverse.com if they want to, but since Sluniverse.com can ban them on a whim for their criticisim, they'll be deprived of that right.


Third, I'd like to present here a trusted Linden who can comment coherently, practically and authoritatively on the IP issue, since this topic has been one of scorn, hatred, and idiocy:

/invalid_link.html




See how James Linden listens to customers, takes them seriously, answers their questions thoroughly, and gives them detailed, but clear technological information free of jargon and hatred and arrogance?

I'd like to present this to all of you as a model for your future communications about YOUR websites. Take James' communication and substitute the words "Cristiano" and "Snapzilla," and we get what we'd LIKE to see from him about his policies and techologies. Note in particular that he doesn't attempt to scream that IPs are not harvested, or that they can't be used maliciously, or that they aren't a marker to identify you. He's pretty straightforward about what they are, and how they can be misused.

That you are not that way only invites further suspicion.

It isn't hard. Well, obviously not hard for the lindens to program, because they are going to be doing *just* that. It states so right there in Lauren Linden's post that I quoted above.

Honestly, you write these long posts and expect people to read them, but you yourself have this nasty habit of only reading what you want to see. Not a great way to try and hold a discussion. Or were you hoping to have your own monologe only?

Prokofy,

There is no other MMORPG that offers the ability to directly send snapshots from in game to their front page, or to a fan site. Those pictures are submitted via email. How exactly is the front page of SecondLife.com used as an all important advertising platform when a) regular SL users rarely look at the marketing site b) there are 3 pictures that can change at any moment c) there is no permanence to the images there?




Let's not rewrite history Prokofy. You came out the gate and made a blantant statement about my abusing the use of IP addresses. You did not ask a question, you presented it as fact. That is why you got the reaction you got. Try posting that James Linden took your IP address and used it to out your alts and track your home location and track your movement on the internet, and see what kind of response you get. I dare you. That is EXACTLY what you did to me.

As I have stated ad naseum, Snapzilla does not even receive user IP addresses as part of the snapshot submission process - the emails come from Linden servers and do not contain email addresses. Why are you even raising this non issue yet again?

I have stated very clearly in the privacy policy, and when asked by people who don't start off attacking me what the policies are. Your technical ineptitude and need to slur someone under the guise of "questioning and reporting" is the reason you get the reaction you get every time.

People tend to only resort to screaming at you when they are on their fifth attempt at trying to explain something to you, yet you will refuse to listen. And the fact that often your very first posts on any subject you immediatly throw out accusations and cry foul, it is no small wonder that you automatically put people on the defensive from the start. Though I personally believe you do that on purpose. You thrive on drama and flames, and you love to try and play the victim. It is really obvious to anyone who reads you over time.

Don't rush to judgement on that one Pendari. Could be reading comprehension problems.

Oh, there's more than ONE pattern on display here.

Pattern one - Cat Cotton says she has placed certain people on ignore, when in reality she hasn't.

Pattern one and and three eighths - Cat Cotton claims she is leaving SL, going on vacation, etc., when she really isn't.

Pattern two - Prokofy Neva keeps attacking the same people over and over again, week after week, making the same weak, unfounded attacks, and those targets find themselves in the position of having to defend themselves. Other lucid folks, some of whom are also targets of Prokofy on nearly a daily basis, see the pattern and independently let Prokofy know how they feel about his absurd claims about other members of the community.

Pattern two and five sixteenths - Paint this reaction as a concerted effort by those placed on the defense by these rabid, incessant attacks, as antagonistic, and accuse them of doing so because of group think.

Pattern three - Cat Cotton and other forum antagonists who like to routinely target LL and some of it's more successfuls residents or groups, play a game of "turn the tables", whereby they try to portray themselves as the victims, when in fact, they are the ones STARTING dubious threads about other people, groups and/or Linden Lab.

Pattern three and nineteen thirty-seconds - Claim that you are doing so for the good of the community, and /or "just reporting the facts". Claim that you talk to "100s of people", and speak for them, when in reality we all know that this is impossible, because you spend your day in the forums chasing ghosts, like a rabid, starving, PacMan mutants.

Pattern four - Regardless of real differences in philosophies, the professional victims join together in some sort of pact, because of a misplaced and ill-founded feeling that they are persecuted underdogs, when in reality, they are the antagonists.

Pattern five - Failure to recognize that when posting in a venue open to the SL public, that one is inviting response, and that if the subject matter of said threads/post sis antagonistic and highly subjective, i.e., singling out members of the community, LL employees/board members, groups, or business, and you get some less than desirable feedback, that it MIGHT BE BECAUSE YOU ARE PUBLICALLY ATTACKING PEOPLE.

Pattern six - Backpeddle a lot when your BS argument is taken apart, and whatever you do - don't address valid questions - because they might highlight the gargantuan holes in your ridiculous assumptions and theories.

I could go on and on, but I would really just be wasting time. Why? Because I could never illustrate the obvious and pathetic tendency toward self-righteousness, narcissism, petty jealousy, and bitterness, as well the purveyors of the filth themselves can.

As James Linden has stated, IP addresses are grabbed and can be abused. A lot of you first tried to make it sound like they weren't grabbed, then tried to make it sound like they couldn't be abused. I know that they can be, and are, used to check alts and bar forums postings with alts. This is dead obvious. You can track alts, and if needed, you will track alts to control your forum. Whatever "beneficial" purpose this may serve, it's a fact of life that it's about your control, and my loss of privacy.



But that's what James Linden can do, and will do, and already does. The only reason he doesn't prosecute by banning all alts is the difficult of people sharing accounts. The only reason he doesn't track me all the way home is because that would be too boring. Ditto tracking my movement on the Internet. We don't know what James Linden does. But that James Linden CAN do this and WILL, I have no doubt, especialy when the Metaverse gets up and running. He will be facilitated in doing this by the erosion of standards of morality and decency that take place in venues just like thse forums.



I understood that the first 50 times you screamed about it Cristiano. But do you deny that if you have decided to bar me from membership on your site completely, I"m going to be able to post my screenshots? You're implying that a stready stream of my screenshots could be coming to you even after you decide to block my IP. I think if you really need to, you're going to take the fact of my blocked IP to enhance your ability to block my screenshots too. WHy wouldn't you?



I'm not technically inept, Cristiano, and you're offensive. You're touchy, overractive and indignant on these matters when you need to keep the profile of the voice of reason. If you think I'm a pain in the ass, wait until you see the masses of people who come in the door from the real world who will question this hothouse flower. Indeed, they will.

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Just felt like this great post needed to be shared again.

That's the thing I have told you that you don't seem to get. I don't need your IP address to bar you from Snapzilla. As every single postcard contains the avatar name that submitted the snapshot, if I did not want it to process your snapshots, I would simply have it not process snapshots that came from the avatar name of Prokofy Neva. Not rocket science, and nothing whatsoever involving IP addresses.

You already DID that.

#1 - anyone can look up a user in the forums and view all posts, even if they're ignoring the user
#2 - not everyone leaves home when they're on vacation, vacation can mean "not at work"

For the record, I can verify that she DOES talk to many people, and the forums themselves prove that other people DO agree with her, whether you like it or not - and it's pretty obvious that you don't. Tough.

Nolan,

Conclusion 1: as sad and abhorrent as the concept is, place forum snakes back on ignore

Conclusion 2: see conclusion #1.

WOW!!

1. I can't believe how many pages this has run to.

2. I can't belive I read the whole thing.



Prok, you gave SLEX & SecondServer as examples of your monopoly theory. This dispite the fact that they are in competition with each other. And, the SLBoutique is quickly gaining market share. By your argument, SecondServer and SLBoutique would not exist because SLEX had already done it. Numerous people have pointed out this hole in your argument and you have ignored it in favor of obsessing with Snapzilla (which I have never used btw).

Your argument is flawed and smacks of sour grapes.

oooooh - we are playing Monopoly now!
Can I be the hat?

Fine I will take the sheep then!

Cat

And this proves what? That they aren't ignoring them. Nice non-point. That doesn't even qualify as a red-herring, it's so weak.
You miss my point entirely Claire. Cat claims that she won't be posting anymore, because she is leaving or going on vacation - but then keeps prattling on.


Yeah, Prokofy, you, blaze and one or two other dissatisfied SLers who expect LL, and therefore SL, to conform to your views. Talking to one's own alts, doesn't count as "talking to many people".

It's quite amusing to see you talk all tough, especially when your arguments are just so much mumbo-jumbo, and so easily deconstructed.