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Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
08-14-2005 07:04
From: blaze Spinnaker
No need to get so prosaic, malachi. If you're going to insult me, I think you could be a bit more clever than that.

Still, the conclusion is sound. The FIC exist. We all have to come to grips with that, FIC and non FIC alike.
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So the premise is invalid but the conclusion is correct and you're accusing others of logical fallacy?

Of course we won't hear from him, Juro, he likes to yell "fire" and then hide when the fire marshall says "false alarm".

And yes, I can be way more clever than that, blaze, you just ain't worth it.
Hank Ramos
Lifetime Scripter
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,328
08-14-2005 07:17
From: blaze Spinnaker
Actually, this was Hank Ramo's doing.


I guess so. I was kicked out of the group. I was an officer one day, then not in the group the next. Wonder how that happened without a recall election? :P

Answer: only a Linden could have done such a thing.

Does the FIC exist? Yes.
Is that necessarily a bad thing? No, as you need smart, motivated people in SL to continue to develop and expand the technology and the world.

But in my recent circumstances, the power of the FIC was used to kick me out as an officer of two groups and to seize my private land. The land was ultimately returned after much protesting and waiting for the Linden Gods on Mt. Olympus to give it back. That's the power of the FIC, to bend or break the rules in their favor because they have direct access to Linden Lab.
blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
08-14-2005 08:58
I agree, it was probably slanted a bit more than it could have been. However, I feel I rectified that by pretty much immediately posting a clarification to be fair.

Do note, thread was also about the Our Anos group which I think is as devisive as anything Prokofy or anyone else as ever done.

As for what Hank said, well, he's on the front lines so he can see the situation more clearly than the rest of us. For us, it is theoretical, for him it is reality.

And I think it bears repeating:

From: someone

Does the FIC exist? Yes.
Is that necessarily a bad thing? No, as you need smart, motivated people in SL to continue to develop and expand the technology and the world.

But in my recent circumstances, the power of the FIC was used to kick me out as an officer of two groups and to seize my private land. The land was ultimately returned after much protesting and waiting for the Linden Gods on Mt. Olympus to give it back. That's the power of the FIC, to bend or break the rules in their favor because they have direct access to Linden Lab.

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"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
08-14-2005 09:17
From: blaze Spinnaker
I agree, it was probably slanted a bit more than it could have been.
A good person admits when they are wildly wrong, a troll posts a "yeah, but". Ick.
blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
08-14-2005 09:21
malachi, you're losing your touch.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Malachi Petunia
Gentle Miscreant
Join date: 21 Sep 2003
Posts: 3,414
08-14-2005 09:28
From: blaze Spinnaker
malachi, you're losing your touch.
I think "patience" was what you were meaning, troll.
April Firefly
Idiosyncratic Poster
Join date: 3 Aug 2004
Posts: 1,253
08-14-2005 09:38
I have a solution. After 1 year of playing Second Life, all players should be forced to quit.

If you are successful, you should be forced to quit after 6 months.

No FIC, no unfair advantage.





From: Seth Kanahoe

Thank you for spewing sense into this thread.

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From: Billybob Goodliffe
the truth is overrated :D

From: Argent Stonecutter
The most successful software company in the world does a piss-poor job on all these points. Particularly the first three. Why do you expect Linden Labs to do any better?
Yes, it's true, I have a blog now!
Aimee Weber
The one on the right
Join date: 30 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,286
08-14-2005 09:40
From: blaze Spinnaker
And I think it bears repeating:


I can't think of anything in SL that has been repeated MORE than FIC accusations.
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pandastrong Fairplay
all bout the BANG POW NOW
Join date: 16 Aug 2004
Posts: 2,920
08-14-2005 09:46
From: blaze Spinnaker
malachi, you're losing your touch.


You origninally entitled this thread "Grin". That is all anyone ever needs to know about you, blaze.
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~ Ulrika Zugzwang on the iconography of pandastrong in the media



"That's no good. Someone is going to take your place as SL's cutest boy while you're offline."

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Seth Kanahoe
political fugue artist
Join date: 30 Jan 2005
Posts: 1,220
08-14-2005 11:49
This spin on the FIC thing is typical blaze, and a good example why - with respect - Siggy is wrong to give him less credit than Prokofy.

In Prokofy's POV, the FIC was an intricate, rational conspiracy with carefully cultivated links to LL. They had an objective, methods, and a systematic plan to "rule" SL - which usually involved persecuting Prokofy (who knew and preached the Truth) without mercy.

In other words, Prokofy saw himself as Christ, the FIC as the Sanhedrins, and LL as the Romans who ran the imperial show. And banishment was the crucifixion, afterwhich he rose again in the Second Life Herald and in his own blogs. :rolleyes:

blaze, on the other hand, makes the FIC out to be a far looser, less rational organization, with ties to LL that are structured more along the lines of an association between separate corporate interests. Mutual self-interest between the company and among a network of "trusted" long-timers who monopolize certain sectors of the economy and the social milieu. Whatever you think of blaze, he doesn't practice the paranoia and messiah-ism that Prokofy did. That, and his more "realism-oriented" take on the FIC, makes his POV more difficult to argue against.

And it means that it's better theater, because it's more subtle and closer to the truth of the matter.

Just my take.
blaze Spinnaker
1/2 Serious
Join date: 12 Aug 2004
Posts: 5,898
08-14-2005 11:51
yes, that's all I've ever asked - to be taken half seriously.
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Taken from The last paragraph on pg. 16 of Cory Ondrejka's paper "Changing Realities: User Creation, Communication, and Innovation in Digital Worlds :

"User-created content takes the idea of leveraging player opinions a step further by allowing them to effectively prototype new ideas and features. Developers can then measure which new concepts most improve the products and incorporate them into the game in future patches."
Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
Posts: 10,231
08-14-2005 11:53
From: Seth Kanahoe
In other words, Prokofy saw himself as Christ, the FIC as the Sanhedrins, and LL as the Romans who ran the imperial show. And banishment was the crucifixion, afterwhich he rose again in the Second Life Herald and in his own blogs. :rolleyes:


Hahaha, that's the best (and funniest) summary I've seen from anyone about it. Classic.
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Hiro Queso
503less
Join date: 23 Feb 2005
Posts: 2,753
08-14-2005 12:11
From: Seth Kanahoe
This spin on the FIC thing is typical blaze, and a good example why - with respect - Siggy is wrong to give him less credit than Prokofy.

In Prokofy's POV, the FIC was an intricate, rational conspiracy with carefully cultivated links to LL. They had an objective, methods, and a systematic plan to "rule" SL - which usually involved persecuting Prokofy (who knew and preached the Truth) without mercy.

In other words, Prokofy saw himself as Christ, the FIC as the Sanhedrins, and LL as the Romans who ran the imperial show. And banishment was the crucifixion, afterwhich he rose again in the Second Life Herald and in his own blogs. :rolleyes:

blaze, on the other hand, makes the FIC out to be a far looser, less rational organization, with ties to LL that are structured more along the lines of an association between separate corporate interests. Mutual self-interest between the company and among a network of "trusted" long-timers who monopolize certain sectors of the economy and the social milieu. Whatever you think of blaze, he doesn't practice the paranoia and messiah-ism that Prokofy did. That, and his more "realism-oriented" take on the FIC, makes his POV more difficult to argue against.

And it means that it's better theater, because it's more subtle and closer to the truth of the matter.

Just my take.


Excellent post, for what it's worth.
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
08-14-2005 12:54
From: Seth Kanahoe
This spin on the FIC thing is typical blaze, and a good example why - with respect - Siggy is wrong to give him less credit than Prokofy.
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Nearly right - I give him no credit whatsoever.

(Still waiting for evidence - or even comment on the scenarios I gave - but thats not gonna be forthcoming, this much I know)

Siggy.
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I, for one, am highly un-helped by this thread
Ulrika Zugzwang
Magnanimous in Victory
Join date: 10 Jun 2004
Posts: 6,382
08-14-2005 13:50
All hail the Ouranos meritocracy!

Yeah, that's right. I read the first post, skipping the rest just for a postcount++. With this postcount++ I have now passed Darwin Appleby!

How do you pronounce Ouranos anyway? My way seems to have a bad word at the end.

~Ulrika~
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Chik-chik-chika-ahh
Pathfinder Linden
Administrator
Join date: 15 Mar 2005
Posts: 507
08-14-2005 14:00
Robin has already explained the situation regarding myself and the Ouranos group, and this thread has devolved into a discussion about someone who cannot defend themself in the forums. As such, I'm closing this thread.
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