Second Accounts and Ethics
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Emma Soyinka
Got moo? o_o
Join date: 13 Sep 2005
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09-29-2005 10:01
Personally I only adhere to social guidelines I actually agree with. I don't agree here, so if I got a second premium account and it were possible for me to buy First Land I simply would.
I guess that makes me a bad person, but at least I follow my own moral compass instead of someone else's, that has to have some merrit.
And now I shall vacate this thread, since dinner is ready and cold dinner sucks.
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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09-29-2005 10:02
From: Strawbearry Shortbread ...only to have my ass served up to me on a platter once again? Why on earth, after "being ragged on" in another thread, would you come her and solicit opinions on this? You'd already made up your mind, wtf do our opinions mean to you then? You know what folks, I am beginning to think we are being played here. "You need people like me. You need people like me so you can point your fuckin' fingers and say that's the bad guy. So what does that make you? Good? You're not good, you just know how to hide...how to lie." ~ Al Pacino as Tony Montana
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
Join date: 14 Jun 2004
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09-29-2005 10:05
From: Emma Soyinka cold dinner sucks. Not if it's fried chicken! Everyone knows that. It's in the Manuel. 
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Cienna Samiam
Bah.
Join date: 13 Mar 2005
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09-29-2005 10:05
From: Nolan Nash Why on earth, after "being ragged on" in another thread, would you come her and solicit opinions on this? You'd already made up your mind, wtf do our opinions mean to you then?
You know what folks, I am beginning to think we are being played here. Duuuuuh. Once you accept that every post is an effort to gain attention, nothing surprises you.
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Strawbearry Shortbread
Registered User
Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 146
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09-29-2005 10:05
From: Enabran Templar You're right, cocoanut, I apologize for my harsh remarks. Clearly you have not been here long enough to observe new residents lamenting dire shortages of first land, and inability to get businesses and homes rolling as a result.
Clearly there is no earthly way you could ever have known about these sorts of shortages, nor could you guess their source was partly the illicit purchase of first land by established residents' alts. I told you I WAS one of those new residents looking for land (for Coco) during the shortage. I also told you I was given to understand that it was because people were making bunches of temporary alts in order to buy up all the First Land and resell it. And that I considered that altogether different. We are just going around in circles here. coco
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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09-29-2005 10:05
From: Nolan Nash Why on earth, after "being ragged on" in another thread, would you come her and solicit opinions on this? You'd already made up your mind, wtf do our opinions mean to you then? The $65,000 Question. One you could ask about 90% of the major Cocoanut Drama Threads of this year. With greatest hits like: What do you think of the FIC Problem? and Proposed Forum Reform Reminds me of when I was a kid, asking questions to which I already knew the answers.
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
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09-29-2005 10:06
From: Gabe Lippmann You might as well read the original post as well. It doesn't suggest this issue will be solved. The post asked for opinions, which are being provided en masse.  That is precisely what I said... "...wasn't intended to solve anything"From: Gabe Lippmann Additionally, a LL response in Hotline will at least clarify, for some, what the intent of LL is re the First Land option. It may not solve the issue of abuse, but it will certainly answer a few of the questions posted herein, namely the posts asking for LL to clarify their stance.  I don't think it will clarify much. Geez, I WISH it would, but I am not getting my hopes up.
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Strawbearry Shortbread
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 146
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09-29-2005 10:06
From: Chip Midnight This argument is also very useful for halloween. All you need is two masks and you can get people to give you twice as much candy.  I wasn't arguing anything. I was answering his direct question. coco
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Gabe Lippmann
"Phone's ringing, Dude."
Join date: 14 Jun 2004
Posts: 4,219
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09-29-2005 10:06
From: Nolan Nash Why on earth, after "being ragged on" in another thread, would you come her and solicit opinions on this? You'd already made up your mind, wtf do our opinions mean to you then? Why not? I find the discussion interesting. I you don't, don't participate. Sheesh 
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Gabe Lippmann
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09-29-2005 10:07
From: Nolan Nash  That is precisely what I said... "...wasn't intended to solve anything"I don't think it will clarify much. Geez, I WISH it would, but I am not getting my hopes up. "for some", which I intentionally inserted, did not necessarily include you 
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Strawbearry Shortbread
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09-29-2005 10:07
From: pandastrong Fairplay So is this about pride or ethics now? Both. Because I STILL won't consider it unethical, if the Lindens say it is fine. Why would I? coco
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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09-29-2005 10:08
From: Strawbearry Shortbread I told you I WAS one of those new residents looking for land (for Coco) during the shortage. I also told you I was given to understand that it was because people were making bunches of temporary alts in order to buy up all the First Land and resell it. And that I considered that altogether different.
We are just going around in circles here. You're right! Again, more apologies are in order. Obviously, buying first land with an alt to sell it off and make money = not kosher while Buying first land with an alt to expand your shop and make money = kosher Let's get those Rabbinical seals for Cocoanut's latest racket, pandastrong. Not to dally!
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
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09-29-2005 10:08
From: Strawbearry Shortbread I told you I WAS one of those new residents looking for land (for Coco) during the shortage. I also told you I was given to understand that it was because people were making bunches of temporary alts in order to buy up all the First Land and resell it. And that I considered that altogether different. We are just going around in circles here. coco He knows you told him that, Coco. And considering your above statement, how can you now claim to have had no idea it might be wrong to use an Alt to gain First Land? How can you possibly claim to have had no idea, when you were one of those who complained about it before?
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Chip Midnight
ate my baby!
Join date: 1 May 2003
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09-29-2005 10:09
I'm not really sure why the ethics of this issue are nebulous to some. First Land is for newbies who've never owned land before. Think of it like free sex for virgins. If you're already an SL resident who owns land, creating an alt doesn't make you back into a newbie... in the same way that getting remarried doesn't make you back into a virgin.
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DogSpot Boxer
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Join date: 23 Aug 2005
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09-29-2005 10:09
From: Aimee Weber For you Red Dwarf fans, this reminds me of Kryten's inability to call somebody a "shmeg head" Kryten: 'You are a Smeee Heeeaa!' Rimmer: 'I'm a smeee heeeaa?' Kryten: 'A complete and total one sir.' All of a sudden, I have a strange craving for a chicken vindaloo.
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DogSpot Boxer
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Join date: 23 Aug 2005
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09-29-2005 10:10
From: Chip Midnight I'm not really sure why the ethics of this issue are nebulous to some. First Land is for newbies who've never owned land before. Think of it like free sex for virgins. If you're already an SL resident who owns land, creating an alt doesn't make you back into a newbie... in the same way that getting remarried doesn't make you back into a virgin. Virgins? They still make those?
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
Posts: 6,734
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09-29-2005 10:10
From: Jonquille Noir He knows you told him that, Coco. And considering your above statement, how can you now claim to have had no idea it might be wrong to use an Alt to gain First Land? How can you possibly claim to have had no idea, when you were one of those who complained about it before? It's called hypocrisy with a little dash of schizo.
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Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
Posts: 1,416
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09-29-2005 10:11
From: Emma Soyinka I guess that makes me a bad person, but at least I follow my own moral compass instead of someone else's, that has to have some merrit. Yeah... not really... I follow my own moral compass too. It's the moral compass that says First Land Thieves are *edited*
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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09-29-2005 10:13
From: Strawbearry Shortbread What you're trying to say is this is just yet example of why Coco should shut up and never post anything, Nolan.
I think what the Lindens say could actually solve this ethical dilemna.
coco I said nothing of the kind. I said I do not understand why you want our opinions when you have already made up your mind. Were you thinking maybe we could change your mind? Yeah, and Pluto is going to smash into the Earth on Sunday. So tell me what is the purpose of this thread except for you to once again "expose" the "bad guys" who "say bad things to you"? *thinks* Ahh yes, you did tell me about studying psychology in college... As far as the Linden response solving it, I don't think so. I hope to be proven wrong, but I would bet on it that I am right.
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Strawbearry Shortbread
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
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09-29-2005 10:13
From: Jonquille Noir He knows you told him that, Coco. And considering your above statement, how can you now claim to have had no idea it might be wrong to use an Alt to gain First Land? How can you possibly claim to have had no idea, when you were one of those who complained about it before? Because - for the fiftieth time - I was saying it is unethical and inconsiderate for someone to make fifty alts to buy up all the First Land in order to resell it as their land business at a profit, and then get rid of those alts. At NO time did I ever think there was anything unethical about each new, real, account, getting it's first land. coco
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Ardith Mifflin
Mecha Fiend
Join date: 5 Jun 2004
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09-29-2005 10:16
From: Strawbearry Shortbread At NO time did I ever think there was anything unethical about each new, real, account, getting it's first land. Why is your alt account any more real than the alt account of someone else?
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Strawbearry Shortbread
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Join date: 27 Sep 2005
Posts: 146
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09-29-2005 10:17
From: Nolan Nash I said nothing of the kind. I said I do not understand why you want our opinions when you have already made up your mind. Were you thinking maybe we could change your mind? Yeah, and Pluto is going to smash into the Earth on Sunday. So tell me what is the purpose of this thread except for you to once again "expose" the "bad guys" who "say bad things to you"? *thinks* Ahh yes, you did tell me about studying psychology in college... As far as the Linden response solving it, I don't think so. I hope to be proven wrong, but I would bet on it that I am right. If you had done something you saw nothing wrong with, and mentioned that you had done it - and suddenly discover that you are a terrible, unethical person, who "gamed the system," and abused things, even though it was nowhere written that you shouldn't - then wouldn't you bring it up? Because I'm not the only one who gets First Land with their second account. And there are lots of people coming into the game now. If this is supposed to be something we are not supposed to do, then let's have it on the table. It is worth discussing, and it was worth your hotline post. And whew! I am now caught up on reading this thread. I'm going to go do something else now, and wait for the Lindens to answer. It could be quite a wait, though, as I imagine they're probably pretty tied up with the GOM thing right now. coco
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Lecktor Hannibal
YOUR MOM
Join date: 1 Jul 2004
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09-29-2005 10:17
From: Ardith Mifflin Why is your alt account any more real than the alt account of someone else? From: Lecktor Hannibal It's called hypocrisy with a little dash of schizo. .
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Jonquille Noir
Lemon Fresh
Join date: 17 Jan 2004
Posts: 4,025
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09-29-2005 10:18
From: Strawbearry Shortbread Because - for the fiftieth time - I was saying it is unethical and inconsiderate for someone to make fifty alts to buy up all the First Land in order to resell it as their land business at a profit, and then get rid of those alts. At NO time did I ever think there was anything unethical about each new, real, account, getting it's first land. coco You honestly see buying up First Land to expand your shop as more ethical than buying First Land to sell it? Is the land going to remain under Strawbearry's name, or will it be sold/given to Cocoanut, or added to a group tier? If you plan on only using it for Strawbearry and not Cocoanut, then I don't see anything wrong with it. If it's a "real" account, then it will keep the land for its own use, and not for Cocoanut's use. Right? That would be the difference between a "real" alt and an alt used to game First Land.
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Jake Reitveld
Emperor of Second Life
Join date: 9 Mar 2005
Posts: 2,690
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09-29-2005 10:19
From: pandastrong Fairplay The TOS doesn't prohibit someone from acting like a dick either. I have managed to find a lot of people here who don't act like dicks though.
Very odd. Of course I have found many more who do act like dicks. Hehehe I figure can't beat em, why not join 'em. So I am always right, and eveyne is entitled to my opinon! 
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