First Land not available ??

Because a new situation arose. In the previous thread, there was an abundance of First Land. In this thread, there is no First Land currently available. The situation changes.

I'm sorry I didn't make that clearer in my previous response.

Well I'm pretty sure availability of First Land was exactly why the ethicality of such was debated in the last thread. Even if the above is true, I fail to see the need to re-open the case against coco, wether she did a bad thing or not what she did is irrelevant in this thread.

Anyway, carry on, I suppose.

Good luck in your quest Emma. Something will come your way soon.

Imagine what the new user who started this thread will think when she returns to read it.
hahaha

Thank you

Heh heh.

Gotta love the power of rationalizations.

Im not sure I would consider the amount of available First Land to be germane to a discussion of whether or not its ethical to get First Land again with an alt. So for me it wasn't a new situation arising.

I've been pondering just that very subject while reading all this.

Just a warning to be sure to keep General forum discussions on-topic.

One posters in another thread stated one of the reasons it was okay for an alt to purchase First Land was because there was a Plethora of First Land. It was pointed out that an abundance of First Land was not always the case.

In my mind this new situation warranted added discussion.

well before we start blaming the alts for the lack of first land (as much as we seem to like cheap shotting one another in the forums-i know its hard), I'd seriously consider that maybe, just maybe, the recent promotions have brought an influx of new users. We are churning our way to 60k. Maybe, just maybe, massive user growth sucks up all the first land. Since we are limited to two accounts per person now, and since most people who have bought first land with alts probably did it a long time ago, its hard to see show this land dearth was caused by alt accounts.

There will always be land, sometimes you have to wait a little. Or do what i have been told so frequently to do in these forums: Buck up and get a job, or buy lindens. SL is a platform not a game and new users have access to RL funds, and have RL jobs to support them while they find seond jobs to becoem "real" citizens and stake hodlers in SL and not just tourists.

New land is just another example of a subsidy, like ratings bonuses, dwell, stipends, and group land that doesn nothing but negitively impact the almighty value of the linden on the GOM..i mean lindex. So hell lets stop whinging. Let them buy a nice little 1024 with a view, or rent. But please do away with first land so we don;t have to hear any more about how unethical coco is.

Entirely true, which is part of why I was rolling my eyes at this thread. The stock of First Land could've simply run out, alts or no. I've heard people say before that before free accounts First Land was a lot more abundant, and that when basic accounts became free that was the first time First Land ever ran out.

There's probably more people taking the leap from basic to premium for that First Land plot now because of a heightened exposure in general. I'm sure before basic accounts were free and less people joined SL (and thus less became premium users capable of buying First Land) that people were buying First Land on alt accounts too, but apparantly it never ran out.

It's part of why I'm so indifferent about people buying First Land on their alt accounts: until someone proves to me that buying First Land on alts (and I do mean normally, not creating premium accounts to buy First Land for resale at rediculous prices) actually is a significant contributor to the problem of First Land running out I won't get in a huff about people doing it.

Hell, I'm still waiting for Linden clarification on the whole issue, but it seems answers aren't going to be forthcoming.

I saw her sneak out the back door here and heading in the direction of her Membership Account site. She mumbled something about a "nevermind button".

Is it me or did Jeska say precious little with a whole lotta words there? I mean I assume anyone who was wondering already knew what the intent was and that despite that every premium account can do it. O_o

I think she said it plain and clear. Anyone else who wants to twist the words around to make themselves feel better can and will do so.

I think Linden's make it this way so they aren't forced to become First Land/alt/family sharing the same PC hunting. It's like the stand where the blind man sells newspapers. You can take one for free, and state if they didn't want you taking them for free, they shouldn't have a blind man selling them, but it's not right.

I think a few people are pretending not to know what the intent was. For them, this sort of statement is... less than convenient. Although the immediate defense will be ignorance of the intent, obviously.

Again, it comes back to can vs should. She acknowledged that they technically have the ability to do so, but she stated clearly what the purpose of the program is. I think her statement was clear - it is NOT for existing land owners, but new residents who have never owned land before, aka, the exact same thing people have been saying.

Delete all your money then...

The easiest way is to cancel your account.

Well stated April!

The difference would be that I KNOW not to take a paper from a blind man.

I don't take candy from babies either. Or set marmosets on fire.

coco

Well I think it's still ambiguous, but eh. I'll just go with the intent then.

I'd much rather have had an answer along the lines of "but the intent of First Land was only for new players who are entering the land market, so we would appreciate it if our players didn't buy First Land on their other accounts" or "you can, the intent isnt that, and you shouldn't."

Of course I've been spying this issue for a few weeks now so maybe I'm just annoyed that they gave such a potentially ambiguous answer.

I think they do that on purpose, Emma. If they say DON'T! then there will be someone (or 10) with a grudge just waiting to abuse report someone for it, forcing the Lindens to deal with something they can't make an official rule.

First Land is for First Time Land Buyers, in intent. They can't stop alts from buying it because they have no way of telling who is an alt and who is a legitimate second household account. Unfortunately, that leaves it open to be gamed, either thrhough greed or ignorance, and leaves it here for us to bitch about in post after post after post.

There's a plot right next to mind that's for sale. I was wondering why no one had bought it. IM me in game and I'll tp you.

I'd say "the obvious conclusion is to make it official that it is okay for all premium accounts to buy First Land so they then have an enforcable rule and tension within the community would dissipate", but I'm sure someone would set me on fire for even suggesting such a thing.