First Land not available ??

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I am glad you recognize that you turned my question into a "claim".

Thanks for pointing that out.

I suggest you use Three DOG Night's "Spinnin' Wheel" for your next self implicating post!

And that's May, 2003

Dogspot, what does this bring to the discussion? Are you attempting to derail this thread so it can be locked?

This is a serious discussion and one that merits positive contributions. We are seeing the affect of alts in the community and something needs to be done to fix this problem.

Yes it is nice to have more than one avatar, but it shouldn't be at the disadvantage of anyone else.

Coco, you can add another alt to make a group and this does not take anything away from someone else. An alt buying First Land does.

No comment on my post about taking $512 out of circulation?

So . . . it could be looked on as highly SL patriotic of me not only to purchase a second account, but to take that opportunity to remove $512 from the system.

Surely the Lindens would rather I do that then just change hands with the money with another player. Surely they would release enough land to allow all the true second (third, fourth, and fifth) premium accounts to do this. A person with five accounts who buys five First Lands is removing more than L$2500 from the system, never to be seen again!

And is also giving the Lindens payment for four extra accounts per month.

coco

Hey, I'm human, no more no less. I don't claim to be completely consistent.

That out of the way, I have to wonder why it is you've decided to call me out on something that happens all the time in this forum?

You know who made some comments and I interpreted those comments based on my experience with said person's other posts.

I am not speaking for said poster(s). I am also not misrepresenting anyone's comments. I am simply making my own comments. No more, no less.

Except for the "thick" comment, I haven't been nasty in my comments.

And yet I get shit for it.

And people claim that there isn't a subset of posters here who live to give shit to people.

Buying First Land only ARTIFICIALLY takes anything away from anyone else. One can assume just as easily that LL releases First Land in proportion to the number of premium accounts they get. (Which is what one would reasonably expect them to do.) If they don't - or are slow about it - then any shortage is artificial. They control the reins to release enough of it.

I don't see this as an alt buying First Land as having a detrimental effect on the community. (See my post above.)

coco

Comment, sure. I will comment.

My friend is a doctor. He saves hundeds of lives a year. I think he should be allowed to euthanize bums and criminals, afterall, they a burden on the economy.

If you really wanted to help the economy, you could have bought some land at current market value.

I am sorry you are finding this serious problem so amusing. On the one hand you didn't like it when you couldn't find First Land. If you really want to be SL Patriotic, you would have bought the land from someone else and helped someone who was selling land.

I know you have to say what you feel to make yourself feel better about your decision, but I am very much sadden by your cavelier response to someone else who can find First Land.

Turning this thread about a serious problem into a Free For All for amusement purposes (and I'm saying this not just to Coco, but others as well) is not the solution.

You think I am finding this amusing?

I absolutely am NOT finding this amusing.

It is a good point, and I made it.

coco

You answered my question with an insult. Other people's behavior does not excuse yours.

Nolan, it was not my intention to turn your comments into anything. I was just commenting. There is no evil hiding under a rock here.

Sinking the money helps the economy lots more than giving it to another player does.

(And the analogy doesn't work on any level.)

coco

I submit to you that the economy is artificial. Does removing your $512L really help the the economy when next Tuesday Strawbearry will receive another $500L+ because she is a premium account? See where I'm going ? An increased strain on the grid by causing another sim to be opened is the end cause and effect. We all know the scaling issue hasn't been licked yet. I also commend you for not spinning this out of proportion and hope it doesn't get locked as some valid points are being made that weren't before or got lost in the flotsam. Damn that was a long sentence.

That's a fair point April.

And Coco, since most people probably (from what I have been told) feed their alts (not saying you, although you are entitled to it technically) the 2k referral bonus, that 512 for first land isn't really a sink, unless one does not take the referral bonus.

You really think the $512 that was released into the system by you buying your Second plot of First Land was enough to justify the offset of someone not being able to buy First Land for the First time? That the $512, the equivalent of about $1USD was enough to compensate for the disappointment of a First Time Land Buyer being unable to purchase Land right away?

Please tell me you are not serious.

I will make alts and buy First Land. It's cheap land, I will save a bundle and add on to my shops. Land sellers don't need money. It's good for the economy and good for SL.

Am I right?

All I did was make a small, relatively innocuous comment. Weedy decided that I needed to be taken task for it. I'll accept my part of this, but you're wrong in pointing the finger soley in my direction.

I have no agenda nor motives in my comments. My Byrds parody was an attempt to derail that part of the discussion which was irrelevant.

Buying expensive land from a Land Baron who sells their Lindens is even more of a sink. Think of the sacrifice you could make by paying 20x what land is worth, instead of getting it for the least amount you possibly could have!

Yes. Because (a) it isn't against the rules, (b) I wasn't depriving anything of anything - the Lindens were by not providing enough land, and (c) I had to wait for my First Land, too, and probably for the same reasons.

And any sink is a good sink, I've learned that litany well from here.

coco

Ok, look, I apologize. Ok?

I shouldn't have wrote that. But for fuck's sake, you're taking me to task for something that hardly warrants a comment, much less being called out.

I swear I need an alt*, just to get out from under this rock on top of me. Because right now, I can't even make an relatively innocent observation w/o getting shit for it.

* I am not going to create an alt. So no flames please.

Ahh never mind I see the spiral starting. Reminds of seeing a twister forming in the TN Valley where I live. Heh the sky is even turning yellow. Ya'll have fun. Forehead meet brick wall.

You will only do it five times at most.

And I didn't buy it because it was cheap; I bought it because it was next to me, just like I spent some 8k or so buying the other land next to me.

coco

I'm am sorry that this is what you have taken from the Forum.

There are lots of things that aren't against the rules, and this is one that should be. As I read the rules after I bought First Land, it seemed to me to mean I couldn't buy First Land again. To me, First Land is a chance for a new person to experience land owning and the thrills and downfalls that come with it without paying the higher fee for a non First Land plot. Once you own land, you no longer need this advantage.

You don't have to respond, I know you are set on this. I am very very sadden by this. I always held you in the highest regard, even when we didn't agree, because I felt your motives were coming from a noble place.

Apology accepted. Comments beget comments, whether good, bad or indifferent.

None of us have exclusionary rights.

For the record, if I feel like vetching about the contents of a thread, I will vetch, because like everyone says on this forum, its my right to say whatever I want.

If I don't like the thread, nobody's forcing me to read it, if you don't like me vetching about the thread, nobody's putting a gun to your head either. Yanno?

As far as to what I was eluding, I replied earlier in the thread to help the first landless, I said "Oh this again" in reply to people starting the whole ethical/unethical discussion interspersed with heavy coco bashing again.

But hey, far be it for me to be tired of people bashing other people over a topic that was hashed out into 15 pages and then subsequently locked, after all, why not do it all over again?