Democratic Party slow death?

But Blair DID confirm it.

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/590

Interesting...I'll get back to you on that after I look around some more later.

Do you have the actual quote (or video) of where Blair confirms the memo's accuracy?
(Preferably from a little less biased of a source...)

(Btw, even if I were to come to the conclusion that Bush lied and he should be impeached, I'd still support staying in Iraq until the job is finished...)

I take it then, that you have chosen a side in the civil war?

which one ? The one in Iraq? Or the impending one here in the USA?

Adam Price MP (Carmarthen East and Dinefwr) asked the Prime Minister:

Does the Prime Minister still regard Sir Richard Dearlove as having been a reliable source of information on Iraq? And if he does, is it safe to assume that Sir Richard's statement in the summer of 2002 that "the intelligence and facts were being fixed around the policy" was an accurate assessment of the intentions and actions of the Bush administration?

The Prime Minister:

First of all, as I'm sure the honourable Member knows that memo and other documents of the time were covered by the Butler Review (1). In addition to that I have to say to him that this was of course before we went to the United Nations and secured a second resolution, the resolution 1441 that had unanimous support and I would also say to the honourable gentleman that contrary to his view when I stood next to the new PM of Iraq, somebody who has had five of his relatives assassinated by Saddam, when I stood by him and realised that he was in power because of the democratic vote of 8 million Iraqis then I was glad that we took the action that we did and made sure that Iraq was no longer governed by a dictatorship but by a democracy.

Yes because paying higher taxes to do things like reduce the infant mortality rate is something everyone who cares about LIFE hates to do. Thanks for confirming that for us

SUre I can blaim anything on Boy George W. Bush, and I have more common sense than 70% of the Republicans

I was afraid that would be the only quote there was... Well, it seems like he may be confirming it's actual existence, but he very clearly dodged the questions almost entirely. I mean he ended up talking about the Iraqi democracy at the end....lol.. But there's nothing on the reliability of the source, whether the assessment was accurate, or if the version we have is an accurate version. It feels like blind faith accepting that the document wasn't altered.

I'd love to hear those questions actually answered by someone who would know the answers, who doesn't have an obvious bias, but Blair's response is not convincing enough for me. I do wonder what this "Butler Review" has in it....maybe that sheds more light.

No, I'm saying that even if invading Iraq was the biggest mistake of the century, we still need to do the best we can to make sure the country is rebuilt better than it was before. Whether you believe the war should have happened or not, we can't abandon that country to be taken by Islamic fundamentalists or another brutal dictator.

I think the future of most of the Arab world hinges on what happens to Iraq in the next 10 years. If it remains a center for disruption, a source of hatred and anger, and degenerates into an Islamic, terrorist or dictator run state, we're all screwed. If it becomes at least a mostly functioning democracy, an example of democracy and Islam together in harmony, and a beacon of hope for those still living under repressive regimes, maybe in 20 or 30 years that region of the world will have a chance to improve for the better.


By the way...wouldn't it be a little odd for "peace activists" who are against war and killing in general to start a civil war? What's the difference between that and setting off bombs in front of abortion clinics? Or setting off a bomb in front of a recruiting station? I know you're kidding but it's kinda silly, no?

Besides, I'd be neutral.

Clearly the Democrats have it all wrong. I say, Good Riddance! Let's have a one-party system and be done with it!

This country is in the finest shape it's ever been. The budget is lean and well-planned, the spending and deficit are totally under control, foreign relations are at their best in 60 years, Americans live free and unhindered by governmental buraeus, and the people have nothing but the utmost confidence and pride in both their country and their representational government. Certainly, these are the best of times.

Four more years!


Yeah, sarcasm.
Funny little side note: i was reading the Declaration of Independence the other day....
{ The history of the present King of Great Britain is a history of repeated injuries and usurpations, all having in direct object the establishment of an absolute tyranny over these states. To prove this, let facts be submitted to a candid world.}
Those facts strike a fearful symmetry to modern politics under the Bush Administration. ¡Viva Patriot Act!

If we had this level of scrutiny over things the administration has actually done, people in the administration would have been HUNG by now. Isn't it at least somewhat hypocritical to seek extreme evidence when we may have used hearsay to go to war?

Edit: To expand, the administration has refused to launch a legitimate investigation into any of it's actions. Whereas they are perfectly willing to silence whistleblowers and run PR campaigns.



If they vote for an Islamic Fundamentalist government or literally vote Saddam back into power, what do you do then? Will we still be there 'helping' them when they decide to shoot at us for the heck of it?



You want another Hamas government then? Oh yes, very stable.