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Vivianne Draper
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03-17-2006 13:55
On April 26, President Bush said in his weekly radio address, "My jobs and growth plan would reduce tax rates for everyone who pays income tax." That turned out not to be true. According to the nonprofit Center on Budget and Policy Priorities, an unspecified number of low- and middle-income families received no tax cut at all because they'd been excluded from an expansion of the child-care tax. --Timothy Noah, 06.03.03
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Eboni Khan
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03-17-2006 13:57
no one died when clinton lied Are you sure? Didn't he send some missles somewhere as a distraction? |
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Shadow Garden
Just horsin' around
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03-17-2006 13:58
That levee thing, on the other hand...ouch...ummmm...CLINTON LIED!!!!! We're not discussing Clinton, the question was whether Bush lies or not. Using blame assignment to divert blame from Bush to Clinton isn't going to help your case. _____________________
"Ah, ignorance and stupidity all in the same package ... How efficient of you!" - Londo Molari, Babylon V.
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Kiamat Dusk
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03-17-2006 13:59
Are you sure? Didn't he send some missles somewhere as a distraction? OH, SNAP!  -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom" Eat me, you vile waste of food. http://writing.com/authors/suffer |
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Vivianne Draper
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03-17-2006 14:02
alright have it your way. no AMERICANS died when clinton lied.
although republicans who suppported the war against Iraq and to this day deny that bush lied about the wmds and who are now bitching about clinton lobbing missles at iraq seems just *slightly* hypocritical to me just a wee bit.... okeys maybe more than a wee bit... but bitching about bombs gives you something to talk about since i guess you just can't refute any of that other stuff i posted eh? |
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Shadow Garden
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03-17-2006 14:13
The problem that exists, is that Presidents are held to a higher standard. ALL politicians lie, it is just degrees of the lie. If my local mayor lies, and says something wrong, it is not likely that a large number of people will suffer for the lie. But the President of the United States is supposed to be a role model of the rest of the world according to several including the neo-cons. In order to be a role model, a shining beacon of democracy, you must demonstrate how democracy works. This does NOT include (a few examples):
Spying on domestic citizens Refusing photographs of caskets returning from overseas Refusing access to papers that were previously released via Public Records Act Holding clandestine meetings with energy companies to create energy policy Holding very few press conferences and being away from the office excessively Asking Congress for war funds, knowing it will be insufficient and need to be supplemented Locking the country away behind walls, scaring the population with constant "potential threats" Referring to those who disagree as un-American or anti-patriotic _____________________
"Ah, ignorance and stupidity all in the same package ... How efficient of you!" - Londo Molari, Babylon V.
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Kiamat Dusk
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03-17-2006 14:32
The problem that exists, is that Presidents are held to a higher standard. ALL politicians lie, it is just degrees of the lie. If my local mayor lies, and says something wrong, it is not likely that a large number of people will suffer for the lie. But the President of the United States is supposed to be a role model of the rest of the world according to several including the neo-cons. In order to be a role model, a shining beacon of democracy, you must demonstrate how democracy works. This does NOT include (a few examples): Spying on domestic citizens -...who are communicating with terrorists... Refusing photographs of caskets returning from overseas -You mean respecting the privacy of the fallen and their families? Refusing access to papers that were previously released via Public Records Act Holding clandestine meetings with energy companies to create energy policy -Meetings so clandestine that the Sierra Club was invited. Holding very few press conferences and being away from the office excessively -Yeah, being busy working...there's a concept. Asking Congress for war funds, knowing it will be insufficient and need to be supplemented -Now he's a psychic. Locking the country away behind walls, scaring the population with constant "potential threats" -You mean the population that demanded to know why they weren't warned about 9/11? There's always a potential threat. You wanted to know-now you know. Referring to those who disagree as un-American or anti-patriotic -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom" Eat me, you vile waste of food. http://writing.com/authors/suffer |
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Toni Bentham
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03-17-2006 14:45
Holding clandestine meetings with energy companies to create energy policy -Meetings so clandestine that the Sierra Club was invited. Asking Congress for war funds, knowing it will be insufficient and need to be supplemented -Now he's a psychic. OK, Kiamat, those two got a laugh.  I do try to hold myself to reasonable criticism of everyone - even those with whom I agree. _____________________
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Shadow Garden
Just horsin' around
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03-17-2006 14:47
Originally Posted by Shadow Garden
The problem that exists, is that Presidents are held to a higher standard. ALL politicians lie, it is just degrees of the lie. If my local mayor lies, and says something wrong, it is not likely that a large number of people will suffer for the lie. But the President of the United States is supposed to be a role model of the rest of the world according to several including the neo-cons. In order to be a role model, a shining beacon of democracy, you must demonstrate how democracy works. This does NOT include (a few examples): Spying on domestic citizens -...who are communicating with terrorists... *But who are still US citizens, the Bill of Rights and Constitution make no distinction. Refusing photographs of caskets returning from overseas -You mean respecting the privacy of the fallen and their families? *Photographing a casket with no identification on it isn't violating privacy Refusing access to papers that were previously released via Public Records Act *No answer? Holding clandestine meetings with energy companies to create energy policy -Meetings so clandestine that the Sierra Club was invited. *Not to all of them, and why wont they release transcripts? Holding very few press conferences and being away from the office excessively -Yeah, being busy working...there's a concept. *I dont consider working on a personal ranch working for business. Asking Congress for war funds, knowing it will be insufficient and need to be supplemented -Now he's a psychic. *His own advisors have told him to request more funds. Locking the country away behind walls, scaring the population with constant "potential threats" -You mean the population that demanded to know why they weren't warned about 9/11? There's always a potential threat. You wanted to know-now you know. *Turning the US into a sealed bubble won't stop terrorism, and ruling by fearmongering is hardly deserving of a democracy Referring to those who disagree as un-American or anti-patriotic *No answer to this one either, hmmm.... _____________________
"Ah, ignorance and stupidity all in the same package ... How efficient of you!" - Londo Molari, Babylon V.
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Magnum Serpentine
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03-17-2006 18:20
As Kendra would say "links please". Because last time I checked, the NY Times had debunked that whole liar myth you Lefties tell yourselves to sleep better at night. -Kiamat Dusk It is a well known fact that Boy George W. Bush lied about WMD, he committed crimes against Us by illegal wire taps. Need I say more? |
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Magnum Serpentine
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03-17-2006 18:20
I have to agree with Kendra, I really don't see how the GOP is going to retain control over the seats they have. I see them losing massive ground. There are too many people sick of the war, sick of gas prices, sick of being broke, sick of well a lot of things. I think both polical parties are dying a slow death. I don't see the 2 party system lasting another 50 years. There are too many media sources, too many bloggers, and too many fed up people with both. We need more citizen politicans and not career politicans. Career politicans only think about ther careers, not about the people. We need term limits, you shouldn't sit on the Senate till you croak of old age on the hill. I would like a political party that doesn't talk down to me, is real about diversity, supportive of ALL family structures, believers in strong education, anti-prison plantation, smart about abortion, anti-dealth penalty, supportive of flat taxes, and pro-small business. Currently, there is no party that meets my needs as a citizen. I can see mass defections to the Democratic Party very soon now |
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Magnum Serpentine
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03-17-2006 18:22
You show me the "lies" and I'll show you the evidence against it. If you want me to put up links to all his truths I'd just link to every speech he made. Liberals have been calling him a liar since day one and have not been able to prove a single one of their theories. Not one. WMDs: Was Bush incorrect in what he said about Iraqi WMDs? Sure. Was it a lie? No. He said what several countries believed to be true. Hell, what Saddam's own generals believed to be true. Stolen Election: Didn't happen. Investigation after investigation has shown that Bush one both elections. What else? You're the ones calling the man a liar. Prove it. I agree with Eboni-we need a new party and term limits for everyone. -Kiamat Dusk ...for Emperor in '08! Very good... Call a Lie a Mistake... I shall have to remember this plan. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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03-17-2006 18:24
Oh, you mean the highly classified operation that you nor anyone else not fully briefed could not possibly know enough about to call it a lie? Try something you can prove. -Kiamat Dusk A Wire Tap with-out judical warrent is against the law. Boy George W. Bush, the Bible Thumping Liar should be impeached and could easily be impeached over this one crime. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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03-17-2006 18:25
The President said we use warrants and court orders. Now he says he doesn't use warrants and court orders because he's President and he doesn't have to. Which one is true?? He broke the fucking law! And then he lied about breaking the fucking law! If my civil liberties were lips he'd be shoving his cock in my mouth. You forget Kendra, the Repubniks have re-defined what a Lie is. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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03-17-2006 18:30
no one died when clinton lied Yep thats right, No one died when President William Clinton Lied, 34,500 Troops died when Boy George W. Bush the bible thumping liar lied. (34,500 is a number my cousin (Master Sergent in the Army) said when I asked him how many troops have died, he quickly corrected to the administrations lie of 2400) |
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Magnum Serpentine
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03-17-2006 18:31
oh someone stop me please... "President Bush proclaimed that a report by leading economists concluded that the economy would grow by 3.3 percent in 2003 if his tax cut proposals were adopted. No such report exists." Gordan Livingston, 06.03.03 I love it, keep em rolling, |
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Briana Dawson
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03-17-2006 19:17
You forget Kendra, the Repubniks have re-defined what a Lie is. Wowzers, and here I was thinking it was the Clinton administration that re-defined what a lie is and what sexual relations means.  Briana Dawson |
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Kiamat Dusk
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03-17-2006 21:16
It is a well known fact that Boy George W. Bush lied about WMD, he committed crimes against Us by illegal wire taps. Need I say more? You keep calling him "Boy George W Bush" thus making an analogy to the 80s pop star Boy George and doing it in a pejorative sense. Basically you're saying Bush is gay and using homosexuality as an insult. Why the homophobia?  -Kiamat Dusk _____________________
"My pain is constant and sharp and I do not hope for a better world for anyone. In fact I want my pain to be inflicted on others. I want no one to escape." -Bret Easton Ellis 'American Psycho'
"Anger is a gift." -RATM "Freedom" Eat me, you vile waste of food. http://writing.com/authors/suffer |
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JackBurton Faulkland
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03-17-2006 21:19
I agree that it is wierd that Joe dirt wasn't nominated for an oscar
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Magnum Serpentine
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03-17-2006 22:15
You keep calling him "Boy George W Bush" thus making an analogy to the 80s pop star Boy George and doing it in a pejorative sense. Basically you're saying Bush is gay and using homosexuality as an insult. Why the homophobia, Magnum? -Kiamat Dusk Thats not at all what I am saying. In all this I have not used your name so I have reported you to Linden Labs. The use of Boy George is to reference that his father President George H.W. Bush was a better man that Boy George W. Bush who has no guts and passes the buck. At least the Elder bush did not pass the buck. And How dare you put words into my mouth and make false and mis-leading statements about me. I should also add that this is a favored tactic of the Republican and fundamentalist Far right. Character Assassianation and mis-leading statements are the norm for them |
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Einsman Schlegel
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03-18-2006 01:27
I don't know. But I remember, even though Clinton made some real stupid mistakes as a lot of our Presidents seem to have done recently.. Even as being as young as I was, I saw a TON, and I mean a TON of growth and possibilities, the technology race exploded during the Clinton years, we had tech centers, research centers galore, and I saw people actually happy. I saw so many opportunities and was given so many opportunities, I didn't know where to start.
I don't know why, but with this Administration, I seem to have lost all hope, as I'm witness to many discontent amongst the people at my office place, and others. People ARE FED up with how the economy is going.. 'Why do I feel like I've been robbed" |
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Kendra Bancroft
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03-18-2006 05:04
'Why do I feel like I've been robbed" Because you are being robbed. So are your Grandchildren. _____________________
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Eboni Khan
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03-18-2006 05:16
alright have it your way. no AMERICANS died when clinton lied. We still don't know what happened to Ron Brown... |
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Eboni Khan
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03-18-2006 05:20
I don't know. But I remember, even though Clinton made some real stupid mistakes as a lot of our Presidents seem to have done recently.. Even as being as young as I was, I saw a TON, and I mean a TON of growth and possibilities, the technology race exploded during the Clinton years, we had tech centers, research centers galore, and I saw people actually happy. I saw so many opportunities and was given so many opportunities, I didn't know where to start. Umm I was a millionaire under Clinton, taxed to death and lost it all, when Clinton was in office (Dot Com ftl). Y2K killed the economy, it started a come back and 9/11 killed it again. People lying, fake businesses, fads, and panic killed the economy, Clinton was just in office at a lucky and not so lucky time, he had nothing to do with the Dot Com bust or Boom, he left it all alone. Lets not play that card, it is played out. |
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Magnum Serpentine
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03-18-2006 07:02
We still don't know what happened to Ron Brown... He died in a Plane Wreck. Probably the Serbians shot him down, that was where he was flying. |
