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Burnman Bedlam

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06-15-2006 07:07

From: Billybob Goodliffe

its true the majority of white supremacists are actually based out of the Pacific Northwest. I'm not saying there aren't racists in the south, but the only real group is the KKK, most of the Neo-Nazi's and such are in the Pacific Northwest.

and here you go http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0426/p01s01-ussc.html

Makes sense... thanks for the link Billybob.

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Billybob Goodliffe

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06-15-2006 07:07

From: Burnman Bedlam

Makes sense... thanks for the link Billybob.

no problem

Reitsuki Kojima

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06-15-2006 07:08

From: Billybob Goodliffe

its true the majority of white supremacists are actually based out of the Pacific Northwest. I'm not saying there aren't racists in the south, but the only real group is the KKK, most of the Neo-Nazi's and such are in the Pacific Northwest.

and here you go http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0426/p01s01-ussc.html

Actually, according to the artical, the south still wins - the numbers are growing in the north, is all it says.

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Burnman Bedlam

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06-15-2006 07:08

From: Reitsuki Kojima

You do realize, of course, that "hate crime" is a stupid, meaningless distinction, particularly in this case, right? Its a seriously over-used charge.

FBI Doesn't think so...

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/hate.htm

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Burnman Bedlam

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06-15-2006 07:10

From: Reitsuki Kojima

Actually, according to the artical, the south still wins - the numbers are growing in the north, is all it says.

I don't think anyone really "wins" in this. The fact that racism exists is sad enough, and since the North and the South are part of ONE country... it's a problem for both.

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Billybob Goodliffe

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06-15-2006 07:14

From: Burnman Bedlam

I don't think anyone really "wins" in this. The fact that racism exists is sad enough, and since the North and the South are part of ONE country... it's a problem for both.

amen however here is another link that shows that the south isn't the most racist

http://www.adl.org/1999_Audit/regional_breakdown.asp

Reitsuki Kojima

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06-15-2006 07:15

From: Burnman Bedlam

FBI Doesn't think so...

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/hate.htm

So?

A crime is a crime. Throwing the "hate" designator in is infantile.

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Lupus Delacroix

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06-15-2006 07:15

From: Burnman Bedlam

Are all skinheads racist? Apparently not. But that does not excuse the fact that there are racists who call themselves skinheads. And either the non-racist skinheads are so much of an insignificant minority in the realm of "skinheadedness" that many people have never heard of you, or you guys just royally suck at setting the record straight.

Orrrr... you could just not know what the hell your talking about. That explanation works too. The skinhead movement was always a music thing first, mainly punk or ska or speed metal. The majority of skinheads out there aren't racist et al. This is mainly because its hard to sensationalize a person who listens to punk/ska/metal cuts his hair short and goes to work every day just like you and I. You probably know a few skins but don't know they ARE skins.

The main problem people are having is a lot of neo nazi's have picked up the skinhead hairstyle, and are thus associated WITH skinheads just because of that. Now all the sudden the public chooses to associate neo nazi with skinhead.

Now me.... I ain't a skin, I'm a pure bred metalhead, and I don't even know any skinheads (at least none I've seen in a long long time) but then I don't see my lack of personal affiliation with the group as a reason to run around with my head up my ass.

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06-15-2006 07:32

From: Billybob Goodliffe

*cough *cough* BULL SHIT
the largest concentration of racists is actually the Pacific Northwest, please get your facts straight.

Somebody said the "F" word - at last.

This whole thing has nothing to do with facts, it has to do with peoples perception of them.
( Albeit by a single person or a company - LL )

That - in essence - is the reason so many (myself included) are saying it was wrong to do what was done - it was based on a perception - not on facts.

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Renee Ingmann

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06-16-2006 20:53

From: Burnman Bedlam

I'd love to see the "hate crime" statistics on this one Billybob.

Actually I think Billybob may be correctin this. I live in Portland OR and let me tell you, you do NOT want to be black in some parts of town. Its fubbarred

Flavian Molinari

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06-16-2006 22:26

From: Renee Ingmann

Actually I think Billybob may be correctin this. I live in Portland OR and let me tell you, you do NOT want to be black in some parts of town. Its fubbarred

I've been to Chicago and you don't want to be white in some parts of that town.

antipathy Rebel

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06-27-2006 16:50

From: Susie Boffin

Hi Nolan. Most people regard skinheads as racist thugs whether that it right or wrong. I don't expect LL to research the origins of Skinheadism before they impose a ban. I have seen the same defense for wearing a swastika with some claiming it is a Native American symbol, thus permissable, while they go around in their Nazi uniforms saying Hiel Hitler.

It is the perception of the average SL citizen that matters and not the historical facts.

I just came across this topic -- and I had to say something.

I think it's truly something to be concerned with when the ignorant perceptions of the majority are determining who is and is not censored.

The fact is that not all skinheads are racist. There is nothing inherent in being a skinhead that means one is racist. It it akin to saying that all whites are racist, all blacks are stupid, all Mexicans are lazy, or that all people who practice witchcraft are Satan worshippers, because "most people regard" this as fact (not that they do, but, really, it would depend on who you ask).

I think it's a terrible shame that LL is interested in censoring this particular person because of a common misperception instead of making an effort to educate people. By resorting to censorship, LL is essentially perpetuating misinformation.

Now this, what next?

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06-27-2006 18:28

From: antipathy Rebel

I think it's truly something to be concerned with when the ignorant perceptions of the majority are determining who is and is not censored.

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Burnman Bedlam Business Person Join date: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,080	06-15-2006 07:07 From: Billybob Goodliffe its true the majority of white supremacists are actually based out of the Pacific Northwest. I'm not saying there aren't racists in the south, but the only real group is the KKK, most of the Neo-Nazi's and such are in the Pacific Northwest. and here you go http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0426/p01s01-ussc.html Makes sense... thanks for the link Billybob. _____________________ Burnman Bedlam http://theburnman.com Not happy about Linden Labs purchase of XStreet (formerly SLX) and OnRez. Will this mean LL will ban resident run online shoping outlets in favor of their own?
Billybob Goodliffe NINJA WIZARDS! Join date: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 4,036	06-15-2006 07:07 From: Burnman Bedlam Makes sense... thanks for the link Billybob. no problem
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	06-15-2006 07:08 From: Billybob Goodliffe its true the majority of white supremacists are actually based out of the Pacific Northwest. I'm not saying there aren't racists in the south, but the only real group is the KKK, most of the Neo-Nazi's and such are in the Pacific Northwest. and here you go http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0426/p01s01-ussc.html Actually, according to the artical, the south still wins - the numbers are growing in the north, is all it says. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Burnman Bedlam Business Person Join date: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,080	06-15-2006 07:08 From: Reitsuki Kojima You do realize, of course, that "hate crime" is a stupid, meaningless distinction, particularly in this case, right? Its a seriously over-used charge. FBI Doesn't think so... http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/hate.htm _____________________ Burnman Bedlam http://theburnman.com Not happy about Linden Labs purchase of XStreet (formerly SLX) and OnRez. Will this mean LL will ban resident run online shoping outlets in favor of their own?
Burnman Bedlam Business Person Join date: 28 Jan 2006 Posts: 1,080	06-15-2006 07:10 From: Reitsuki Kojima Actually, according to the artical, the south still wins - the numbers are growing in the north, is all it says. I don't think anyone really "wins" in this. The fact that racism exists is sad enough, and since the North and the South are part of ONE country... it's a problem for both. _____________________ Burnman Bedlam http://theburnman.com Not happy about Linden Labs purchase of XStreet (formerly SLX) and OnRez. Will this mean LL will ban resident run online shoping outlets in favor of their own?
Billybob Goodliffe NINJA WIZARDS! Join date: 22 Dec 2005 Posts: 4,036	06-15-2006 07:14 From: Burnman Bedlam I don't think anyone really "wins" in this. The fact that racism exists is sad enough, and since the North and the South are part of ONE country... it's a problem for both. amen however here is another link that shows that the south isn't the most racist http://www.adl.org/1999_Audit/regional_breakdown.asp
Reitsuki Kojima Witchhunter Join date: 27 Jan 2004 Posts: 5,328	06-15-2006 07:15 From: Burnman Bedlam FBI Doesn't think so... http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/civilrights/hate.htm So? A crime is a crime. Throwing the "hate" designator in is infantile. _____________________ I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
Lupus Delacroix Wyrm Raider Join date: 3 May 2006 Posts: 695	06-15-2006 07:15 From: Burnman Bedlam Are all skinheads racist? Apparently not. But that does not excuse the fact that there are racists who call themselves skinheads. And either the non-racist skinheads are so much of an insignificant minority in the realm of "skinheadedness" that many people have never heard of you, or you guys just royally suck at setting the record straight. Orrrr... you could just not know what the hell your talking about. That explanation works too. The skinhead movement was always a music thing first, mainly punk or ska or speed metal. The majority of skinheads out there aren't racist et al. This is mainly because its hard to sensationalize a person who listens to punk/ska/metal cuts his hair short and goes to work every day just like you and I. You probably know a few skins but don't know they ARE skins. The main problem people are having is a lot of neo nazi's have picked up the skinhead hairstyle, and are thus associated WITH skinheads just because of that. Now all the sudden the public chooses to associate neo nazi with skinhead. Now me.... I ain't a skin, I'm a pure bred metalhead, and I don't even know any skinheads (at least none I've seen in a long long time) but then I don't see my lack of personal affiliation with the group as a reason to run around with my head up my ass. Know the world before you judge it.
Adriana Caligari Registered User Join date: 21 Apr 2005 Posts: 458	06-15-2006 07:32 From: Billybob Goodliffe cough cough* BULL SHIT the largest concentration of racists is actually the Pacific Northwest, please get your facts straight. Somebody said the "F" word - at last. This whole thing has nothing to do with facts, it has to do with peoples perception of them. ( Albeit by a single person or a company - LL ) That - in essence - is the reason so many (myself included) are saying it was wrong to do what was done - it was based on a perception - not on facts. _____________________ Maker of quality Gadgets Caligari Designs Store
Renee Ingmann Registered User Join date: 18 Oct 2005 Posts: 37	06-16-2006 20:53 From: Burnman Bedlam I'd love to see the "hate crime" statistics on this one Billybob. Actually I think Billybob may be correctin this. I live in Portland OR and let me tell you, you do NOT want to be black in some parts of town. Its fubbarred
Flavian Molinari Broadly Offensive Content Join date: 1 Aug 2004 Posts: 662	06-16-2006 22:26 From: Renee Ingmann Actually I think Billybob may be correctin this. I live in Portland OR and let me tell you, you do NOT want to be black in some parts of town. Its fubbarred I've been to Chicago and you don't want to be white in some parts of that town.
antipathy Rebel Registered User Join date: 26 Apr 2005 Posts: 24	06-27-2006 16:50 From: Susie Boffin Hi Nolan. Most people regard skinheads as racist thugs whether that it right or wrong. I don't expect LL to research the origins of Skinheadism before they impose a ban. I have seen the same defense for wearing a swastika with some claiming it is a Native American symbol, thus permissable, while they go around in their Nazi uniforms saying Hiel Hitler. It is the perception of the average SL citizen that matters and not the historical facts. I just came across this topic -- and I had to say something. I think it's truly something to be concerned with when the ignorant perceptions of the majority are determining who is and is not censored. The fact is that not all skinheads are racist. There is nothing inherent in being a skinhead that means one is racist. It it akin to saying that all whites are racist, all blacks are stupid, all Mexicans are lazy, or that all people who practice witchcraft are Satan worshippers, because "most people regard" this as fact (not that they do, but, really, it would depend on who you ask). I think it's a terrible shame that LL is interested in censoring this particular person because of a common misperception instead of making an effort to educate people. By resorting to censorship, LL is essentially perpetuating misinformation. Now this, what next? _____________________ not just another pretty array of pixels.
Flavian Molinari Broadly Offensive Content Join date: 1 Aug 2004 Posts: 662	06-27-2006 18:28 From: antipathy Rebel I think it's truly something to be concerned with when the ignorant perceptions of the majority are determining who is and is not censored. Welcome to America...um, I mean Second Life.

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