Skinhead Mission

The whole bootlace/brace color-code thing is crap. It never really existed in any widespread or accepted way back in the day and it certainly doesn't exist now. Me, I wear red laces in my Docs. Why? Because I like the look of red on black. No other reason.




You don't have a single clue how wrong you are, do you? Majority? Not even close. The boneheads have *always* been a vocal minority, and as a matter of fact their numbers have gotten smaller. Many neo-nazi/WP groups have abandoned the whole shaved-head/boots-and-braces look, to better blend in. Just like they originally adopted it to try to fit into the existing subculture back in the 70s and 80s.




I have, and do. As do all the skins I know. Any time you see a guy walking down the street with a #1 shaved head, boots and cuffed jeans, sideburns and a Fred Perry polo shirt, that's a skinhead. Or maybe he's wearing Samba sneakers and a band t-shirt. Bands like Cock Sparrer, or The Templars, or The Business. Skinhead, and skinhead bands. I go to skinhead shows, hang out at skinhead bars. Like I said, it's not a haircut, it's a lifestyle. If you want to remain ignorant of the facts of it, that's your problem.

I've got a dare for you. Find a group of skins, and tell 'em that they're racists and white supremicists. You may get laughed at, or maybe you'll get this same lecture in person. Or just maybe, you'll get a beer bottle to the face and boot to the ribs for your troubles. Either way, you've just learned a lesson, haven't you?

-S

ok side question, has anyone ever seen a female skinhead?

Hmmm... If LL are stereotyping then.. you should be an Electrician, judging by your name! AM I RIGHT?!

I got a lightswtich needs fixing! 3rd door on the left! Chop Chop

Heh. Electrician, no. Computer geek, yes

-S

Even better. You're condeming a group of people *you know nothing about*. Way to be open minded.

Ordinal Malaprop and Nolan Nash covered it all really. Respect, guys.

Yeah there are racist groups out there that call themselves skins. Most of us refer to 'em as boneheads, and in places like New York, New Jersey, Chicago and Boston, they (boneheads, that is) don't tend to make themselves known, lest they become the guest of honor at a boot party.

So until you know better Burnman, you probably shouldn't talk crap about people. "Better to remain silent and have people think you're ignorant, than open your mouth and confirm it" (apologies to whomever I just misquoted. Mark Twain, maybe?)

-S

"Better to remain silent and have people think you're ignorant, than open your mouth and confirm it" (apologies to whomever I just misquoted. Mark Twain, maybe?)

-S

Americans simply have no concept of British pop culture. Im saddened, but not suprised.

I agree with the decision to ban the name. Whether it was his intention to cause any drama with it in SL or not, the name would have.

It wasn't that long ago that England was being bombed by people with the same mindset as those who carry the name you are defending.

The whole bootlace/brace color-code thing is crap. It never really existed in any widespread or accepted way back in the day and it certainly doesn't exist now. Me, I wear red laces in my Docs. Why? Because I like the look of red on black. No other reason.




You don't have a single clue how wrong you are, do you? Majority? Not even close. The boneheads have *always* been a vocal minority, and as a matter of fact their numbers have gotten smaller. Many neo-nazi/WP groups have abandoned the whole shaved-head/boots-and-braces look, to better blend in. Just like they originally adopted it to try to fit into the existing subculture back in the 70s and 80s.




I have, and do. As do all the skins I know. Any time you see a guy walking down the street with a #1 shaved head, boots and cuffed jeans, sideburns and a Fred Perry polo shirt, that's a skinhead. Or maybe he's wearing Samba sneakers and a band t-shirt. Bands like Cock Sparrer, or The Templars, or The Business. Skinhead, and skinhead bands. I go to skinhead shows, hang out at skinhead bars. Like I said, it's not a haircut, it's a lifestyle. If you want to remain ignorant of the facts of it, that's your problem.

I've got a dare for you. Find a group of skins, and tell 'em that they're racists and white supremicists. You may get laughed at, or maybe you'll get this same lecture in person. Or just maybe, you'll get a beer bottle to the face and boot to the ribs for your troubles. Either way, you've just learned a lesson, haven't you?

-S

You talking about the siege of Sydney Street? Most Brits have never heard of it.

can you still fix her lightswitch?

I'm not "talking crap" about people. I stated that where I come from, the term "skinhead" refers to racists. If that doesn't jive with your definition of a skinhead, I can't help that. I didn't create the racist association with the term.

Well, aren't you special? And BTW, in case you don't know what sarcasm is, the black shoelace comment was just that.

Sure thing


And thanks for the correction on the quote. Churchill, Twain...close enough, right?
-S

True, you didn't create it. But you're happy to perpetuate it, despite being shown that it's a false association.

-S

Hi Nolan. Most people regard skinheads as racist thugs whether that it right or wrong. I don't expect LL to research the origins of Skinheadism before they impose a ban. I have seen the same defense for wearing a swastika with some claiming it is a Native American symbol, thus permissable, while they go around in their Nazi uniforms saying Hiel Hitler.

It is the perception of the average SL citizen that matters and not the historical facts.

Burnam

There are racists calling themselves 'caucasians' does that make all caucasians by association racists?

Burnman

It is not a question of victim or abuser.

The issue of banning a user because of a name is a serious question.

I am neither a skinhead nor a racist.

Infact when I was younger in the '70s I was a UK punk rocker and while we were busy fighting society in general, our biggest fights were with Skinheads, particularly racist skins in London.

So I approach this as someone with an inherent ingrained negative attitude towards skinheads in general,. But this has never spilled over to a belief that all skinheads are racists, are thugs or are bigoted.

I do however have a major disagreement with the suggestion that LL can ban someone because of a name.

There are real reasons behind this.

I have a proposal with LL which will mean my RL company making a major financial investment in SL. While I have concerns about the general TOS in making this investment, I have an even greater concern if on an arbitary whim someone from LL can decide to ban someone because of a name.

As I said on a different thread about this, the logic to ban by association does not hold up.

Where I come from, bald people are those without hair. Skinheads are those who are racist bald people.

To be completely honest with you, I have never heard of anyone that went by the title of "skinhead" without being a white supremist.

I did not say all skinheads were racist. I said that in the area that I grew up in, as well as the area I live now, the term skinhead is associated with shaven-head racists.

Man... people really like to play the victim, eh? I don't think people are happy unless they feel persecuted.

Well, aren't you special? And BTW, in case you don't know what sarcasm is, the black shoelace comment was just that.

I was referring to the V2 rocket attacks in 1944.