Skinhead Mission

I understand it, don't mistake that. I see the confederate flag as the mark of traitors, and quite often is the mark of a racist.

If you want to claim that as your heritage... go right ahead.

which is exactly why i say you don't understand it. for one thing, the Confederate flag that everyone knows, wasn't the National Flag of the confederacy, just the battle flag of some of the armies.
here read up http://www.civilwarhome.com/csa.htm

What does it matter? A confederate flag is a confederate flag.

the difference is, the battle flag was flown by people defending their homeland from agression. the national flag was the one that stood for the ideals of the Confederacy. you are belittling my ancestors when you take what a few sheet wearing baffoons flew and twist its real meaning.

What you call defending the homeland, I call splitting a nation to allow the ownership of human beings as personal property.

I can see this thread spinning wildly off course.

I think the South should Riiiiise again.... And that the North should allow them to susseed (break off like they wanted to). Then the South could be considered a third world country by their economic standards, and instead of US pumping millions of north's tax dollars into corrupt southern politician's pockets in hopes to help the South out with their poverty, crappy medical conditions, and really low levels of education, that money could be spend on "reconstruction" projects, and on sending in the national guard, to actually help things along.
Just MHO.

really? thats surprising since slavery existed longer under the Stars and Stripes than it did under the Stars and Bars and for the first 2 years of the war it wasn't about slavery. so the nation was already split. now i'll stop debating it if you stop devalueing my family history. this is a very personal matter to me.

It's funny how different the story is told between the North and South.

You aren't going to change my opinion of the confederacy.

Correct, you are not. Skinhead is a subculture, a lifestyle, not a haircut.



:: Shrug :: Just because it's used that way "exclusively" in your neck of the woods doesn't make it right, especially when a little research (not to mention conversation with a person who identifies himself with the group in question) will tell you differently.




Who said anything about 'white' people? I'm arguably not white (half Spanish, in fact, with a Spanish last name). 3 of my best buds are Filipino, and the lead singers of 2 fairly well-known bands (that I am also friends with) are black. My girlfriend's brother is Mexican. Skinheads all. I say again, skinhead is a way of life and that way of life is not a racist or bigoted one. You know what they say about minds and parachutes, right?

-S

not trying to change your opinion of the confederacy, just the way you view the flag from now on. i think the south had some valid points and so did the north.

This baffles me... you want to change my mind about the flag... but not the concepts I associate with it?

"The flag's ok, but what it stands for is not!"

That makes no sense.

What, specifically, does the flag mean to you?

I'm pretty damn far north. Born and raised here. Even I know the war was not "about slavery", particularly not for the thousands of soldiers fighting in the war, too poor to even think about ever owning one.

Believe it or not... I do have an open mind.

To be completely honest with you, I have never heard of anyone that went by the title of "skinhead" without being a white supremist. If you refer to yourself as a skinhead around here (my neck of the woods), you are likely to get yourself into a lot of trouble.

Do you give the a chance to explain before or after you lynch them?

you associate the Ideals behind it with the wrong flag. thats my point. hate the Confederacy i don't really care, but just make sure you recognize that the stars and bars wasn't the flag that stood for those ideals. it may seem petty to you, but it is a huge deal here.

Wars are rarely waged by the people fighting them.

Which, to an extent, argues against the very point your trying to make.

That aside, you really should read up on the civil war a bit. Theres a lot more to it than you were taught in school, on both sides of it.

I don't lynch people. That's what the skinheads do, remember?

Seriously though... I have yet to meet a skinhead who was either white supremist, or otherwise. I know bald people, but no skinheads.

the flag to me represents thousands of young men willing to die for their way of life. it stands for several other things, like our traditions, (ie chivalry) our heritage, and our history.

on a side note, Reitsuki we actually agree on something. I'm shocked

Amen. Add to that the independent, rebel spirit that is part of what makes America great. I'd be proud to wave the Southern Cross.

-Kiamat Dusk

Let's just agree to disagree.

i said that like 6 posts ago

you like me you really like me *waves flag and passes one to Kiamat*

Out of curiocity, does that differ at all from a muslim fringe religious group's flag standing for their hundreds of young men willing to die for their way of life, as well as their (religious) traditions, (muslim) heritage, and their history? Or is the basic disagreement here based on what one considers people of heritage/history, which the other considers traitors/terrorists?