Skinhead Mission

I can see why the Lindens don't want this name.

I want add however, contrary to popular belief, not all Skinheads are racist assholes. Just most of them.



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Agreed. In fact the skinheads never started as a racist group. But, of course it's the assholes who get all the press.

-Kiamat Dusk

Probably a ignorant Linden overreacting, thinking it was racist.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skinhead

Most skinheads i know are of the second category described in the link above, active anti-racists.

Actually, In SL, im a skinhead myself these days, but that's mostly because i cant find any decent prim hair for men

This guy is clearly not a white supremecist:

Do Lindens have this much control over us? Seems ridiculous.

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I grew up in the San Fransico bay area. I was in high school in the 80's.

Bay area Skinheads at that time were considered racist, sort of along the lines of the Skins in the movie American History X.

I'm thinking that the Lindens may have the same view.

The apparently arbitrary action by an LL employee in cancelling the account of a solid citizen of SL because the employee has incomplete knowledge of the meaning of the term 'skinhead' is deeply disturbing. Did LL hire a new employee who will now impose his bias on the entire organization? Membership growth in 2006 was more than impressive, but a perception that LL is becoming indifferent to universal principles of fairplay could tarnish the image of SL. In the past I had no thought of even reading about other on-line games. Now that has changed. I hope that LL will investigate this issue, re-instruct the errant employee, and set things right with Mr. Skinhead Mission.

I agree with the decision to ban the name. Whether it was his intention to cause any drama with it in SL or not, the name would have.

I happen to agree with the Lindens too. Skinhead is generally known as a racist term no matter what the OP's intentions were and no matter how "upstanding" a citizen he is. If I had named myself Hitler Boffin, and claimed it was just because it was a cool name, I would also be kicked off mainly because of stupidity if nothing else.

Well, the find menu reveals a "SkinHeadChick Wake"...

...and I think some of you really need to do a little research on the origin of skins. Some hippies went crazy and killed some rich people once or twice, lets censor the word hippie too.

Most of you are completely ignoring (or are uninformed) the trads, who surfaced out of the mods, started the skins, and were simply a working class movement, the SHARPS who are anti-racist, and a whole host of others, and simply focusing on the nazi skinheads.

Given the other threads I have seen about similar things, like Oi, I shouldn't be surprised I suppose...

Hi Nolan. Most people regard skinheads as racist thugs whether that it right or wrong. I don't expect LL to research the origins of Skinheadism before they impose a ban. I have seen the same defense for wearing a swastika with some claiming it is a Native American symbol, thus permissable, while they go around in their Nazi uniforms saying Hiel Hitler.

It is the perception of the average SL citizen that matters and not the historical facts.

Speaking for most people is not cool.

I don't even think it's necessary for LL to do research, because I am relatively sure that many of the Lindens know that a lot of skins, and certainly not those who adhere to the traditional style, are not racists. Most of them (the Lindens) are pretty worldly, and have been around the block a time or two.

If so, then that is the real problem. The average person's perceptions are many times founded on prejudice and outright untruths.

The fact is, unless this person was acting in a racist manner, he should not have been treated this way. When you contrast it with the shit they let w-hat get away with - I had Michael Linden tell me they wouldn't do anything about repeated use of the the words "nigger", faggot", "kike, "spic" and so forth, because they were using an irc relay through a prim, (I turned them in and the Lindens even read the logs, and emailed me back to tell me they would take no action, and worse yet, I am sure that the hats knew of this loophole).

That type of blatant inconsistency is not only absurd, but shameful and dangerous.

Anyway, I will just leave it it that, I strongly disagree, especially in light of other crap that LL has let other people get away with.

Thats why I made my own.

I don't personally know anyone who wouldn't associate the term "skinhead" with racism. Whether or not there are those who call themselves "skinheads" without being a racist is irrelevant to the fact that there are people in various ethnic/religious groups that would find the term as extremely offensive.

Where I come from, bald people are those without hair. Skinheads are those who are racist bald people.

I fully support the Lindens in their decision.

Unbelievable. Once again the world revolves around US bible belt ethics.

There is more to the world than a bigoted minority american view.

In the UK the Flag of St. George (The national flag for England) was for many years in the 1980's and 1990's closely associated with racism, even to the extent that a London taxi in the early 19990's was forced to remove a sticker because of the connotation. Time has moved on and we can now fly the flag with pride, but does that mean that in SL if I choose to fly the flag of my nation, someone from the hinterland of america will remember the previous use of the flag and decide I am a white supremacist and demand I am banned?

Skinheads have an historical association, as do many other groups. It may be provocative, but so are many names and events on SL.

I find the child play avatar to be far more obscene and offensive than any group of bomber jacketed skinheads walking round SL with the name Skinhead x

As an aside from this. I run a RL company, VAT and Limited liability registered in the UK by the name of Anarchy in the UK Limited. My company logo is an anarchy symbol. This holding Company is responsible for operations in internet retail and consultancy.

I am introducing that RL logo into SL, is LL going to decide the ethics of this are offensive to a few americans, or is the sensible and pragmatic view of the rest of the world going to prevail.

I am not even remotely christian.



You mean like a bigoted british one?



Racism is not provocative, it's offensive, pathetic, and should be banned.



If someone's just roleplaying a kid, I find it creepy, but that's just me. If you are referring to sexual child play, I agree with you 1000%. But that doesn't lessen my feelings about banning racism any.



I would be willing to bed that the term "few" is misused in your statement. And you should keep in mind, simply because you think something is ok, that might not fly with everyone else. It wasn't that long ago that England was being bombed by people with the same mindset as those who carry the name you are defending.

Nobody's arguing that. HOWEVER, skinhead does NOT equal racist.





So now we're talking about banning people because of a perceived mindset? Do you hear how insane that sounds? People that have protested against governments in the past have started riots, does that mean that they share the same mindset as a group of peaceful protesters? Should they be condemned because of that?

There's a term for judging a person because of outward appearance. It's called "bigotry". We skins have had to deal with crap like this since the earliest days of skinhead. It was BS then and it's BS now.

-S

I am bald. I shave my head because I don't like being overwarm, and I have thick hair. Am I a skinhead? No. I'm bald.

Where I come from, the term skinhead is used exclusively to refer to a shaven head white supremist. I would be willing to bet that an aweful lot of people feel the same way. Especially the ethnic/religious groups most commonly afronted by the narrowminded racist bumloads.

My distaste is not for bald headed white people... I am one. It's for the term "skinhead" which is more commonly associated with white supremists than anything else... at least where I come from/live now.

People also associate the confederate battle flag only with white supremacy, which is false.

They also associate the swastika with only the third reich, which is false.

Educate people, push them past their conceived notions and the world will be a better place. it isn't the symbol - its the intent.

On a side note, if you think I'm making light of the swastika - I'm partly herbrew and partly roma. Two major groups persecuted by another par tof my heritage - german. If I can move past this connotation I think most people can if they actually try.

i have but one question, why does it matter? no one in here wanted that name that i can tell based on the posts.

as an aside; its not unlike people wearing white poncho's and such down here in the south. I hunt alot during the winter (deer seaon). I have my old white poncho, to help me blend into the snow. I forgot to take it off one time and went into the Wendy's for lunch. I got kicked out for being in the "klan" I am not, just had on that poncho.

WOOHOO finally some one with common sense and understanding. *waves flag around*

I was wondering if you were going to join this thread. Whether or not you believe the confederate flag is racist or not, it is at the very least the mark of traitors. But I really don't feel like arguing about that stupid flag again.



True, though the swastika turned on a 45 degree angle and pictured in a white circle over a red background *is* actually associated with the nazis. The original swastika, used by many different cultures, carried none of these qualities.



Sometimes the intent is stated through the symbol.



I don't see any issue with the original, non-nazi, swastika... it has nothing to do with the nazis. The tilted perversion, however, is the mark of bigoted evil. If you want to accept it as "just another letter in the symbology alphabet", go right ahead.

please don't insult that which you don't understand. thats my heritage!