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Adriana Caligari
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06-14-2006 14:37
Skinhead -

Curious LL chose that one to ban - why not these ?

Moonshine

Moonshining is the making of whiskey surreptitiously and illegally
Are LL endorsing the making of and selling illegal alcoholic drinks ( or anything else illegal come to that ?)

Or is it a word ?

Pendragon

Uther, brother of Aurelius and father of King Arthur - A name not much appreciated by anglophiles -

Or is it just a word ?

Baphomet
Baphomet was an idol supposedly worshipped by the Knights templar and still has connotations today of devil worship -
A name 3 billion catholics might object to -

Or is it just a word ?

Boffin
A derogatory word describing an intelligent child primarily used by other children - In an age trying to discourage bullying should we be using derogatory words as names in a game accessable by our children

Or is it just a word ?

Bedlam
A popular name for Bethlem Royal Hospital, the world's first psychiatric hospital, from which most other meanings are derived.
A synonym for chaos
A horrorcore group.
Is LL promoting people who behave like they exist in a lunatic asylum - a horror group or condoning chaos ?

Or is it just a word ?

Cartier
Scorned by millions of lower class in the world and being synonymous with the arrogance of the rich and famous - are we belittling the lower class in SL

Or is it just a word ?

Those are just some names from THIS thread

I am sure if I trawled thru the whole SL name list I could find numerous names that are offensive to some culture somewhere on the planet ( remember a thumbs up in some cultures is the same as two fingers in another - and a single finger in yet others )

Will LL ban them all - of course they won't.

They picked on Skinhead because it is a term that a Linden recognized from a news story or a film they had seen somewhere and jumped on the band wagon of painting everyone with the same brush.

PS
If the name was so offensive - why wasnt it banned within a week of using it ?
Why wasnt it banned when he purchased land ?
Why wasnt it banned when he asked live support a question ?
Why wasnt it banned when they came to send out his bill ?
It's not as if Skinhead has been hiding under a rock for 6 months - he has been a highly active and constructive member of the community ( and a dammed good builder to boot - scuse the pun - I might add )
Why the sudden change in heart - or more precisely which film did the Linden see before the penny dropped ?
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Nowun Till
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06-14-2006 16:29
There are now two questions on Linden answers to this question, which appears on at least three threads across the forum
Cheyenne Marquez
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06-14-2006 18:49
I am not going to take sides because clearly no one cares what my personal opinion is on this issue, but...

...why is it so hard to understand that in some circles the skinhead name is considered very offensive and as such, LL has to take action on it.

Don't take it so personal.

I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't LL employees who may also sympathize or associate with the skinhead lifestyle but ultimately it is not about any individual Linden, me, or you.

It's about LL the company.

It is their responsibility to see to see to it that they are representative and speak for all of SL's residents. They would be remiss and potentially liable if they weren't proactive in regard to handling sensitive matters. I think we can all agree, judging by the varying opinions on this and other threads, that this would qualify as a sensitive matter.

I am assuming we are all adults on these forums, but it baffles me that as adults some of us do not understand that as a company, it behooves LL to be proactive in regard to risk management and matters of potential liability.

To do otherwise would be foolhardy on their part.
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06-14-2006 19:44
From: Cheyenne Marquez
I am not going to take sides because clearly no one cares what my personal opinion is on this issue, but...

...why is it so hard to understand that in some circles the skinhead name is considered very offensive and as such, LL has to take action on it.

Don't take it so personal.

I wouldn't be surprised if there aren't LL employees who may also sympathize or associate with the skinhead lifestyle but ultimately it is not about any individual Linden, me, or you.

It's about LL the company.

It is their responsibility to see to see to it that they are representative and speak for all of SL's residents. They would be remiss and potentially liable if they weren't proactive in regard to handling sensitive matters. I think we can all agree, judging by the varying opinions on this and other threads, that this would qualify as a sensitive matter.

I am assuming we are all adults on these forums, but it baffles me that as adults some of us do not understand that as a company, it behooves LL to be proactive in regard to risk management and matters of potential liability.

To do otherwise would be foolhardy on their part.

Some circles, yeah, those who would rather hold onto Archie Bunker type stereotypes than to click a mouse button and really investigate.

I will post this, which I posted in another thread, dealing with this same issue:

From the in-world find menu, with "skinhead" as the keyword:

>BOYZ POINT & Oi! Store

the store for boyz, skins, punks and all cool dressed guys.


>SKINHEAD HAMLET PREMIER

Join us for the first viewing of the fabulous and funny Skinhead Hamlet, a graphic novel crafted in Second Life by Sidra Stern and Sulla Milk. The event will be supplemented as expected by wonderful dance music of love and misery. NOT TO BE MISSED!! Add to the fun, come dressed as your favorite Shakespeare character, or your favorite Skinhead.


>Skinhead Urning in Baramboli

With Solo Slingo, Gambling and Scratch-Games


>Skinhead Urning Park (Mature) Land

Yardsale, flowers, games, ride and so on


>Then, another avatar with "Skinhead" in their name: "SkinHeadChick Wake"

OMG! Flowers, yardsales, and, OH MY! Someone call the cops! Better yet, call Geraldo Rivera!

Come on, don't fool yourself - this is not a policy, this was a whim.
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06-14-2006 20:39
another skinheads response...Ive already addressed this issue in /140/d5/113894/1.html

also.. if you pop into lonsdale in junghee, there is a free crucified skin tshirt being offered by youre truely. Im hoping to get a group of folks together for a big picture to send to LL
Adriana Caligari
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06-14-2006 22:13
From: Cheyenne Marquez

I am assuming we are all adults on these forums, but it baffles me that as adults some of us do not understand that as a company, it behooves LL to be proactive in regard to risk management and matters of potential liability.


So why dont they take action over land theft, money dealing, IP theft, prostitution, pornography, under age access, large percentages of abuse ?

Surely that wouls suit their time better ?

Or is the policy

You can nuke a sim, steal their money, sell their objects, prostitute their women, pervert their children - but don't walk on the grass !

Its one thing to be proactive - its another to be small minded and petty.
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06-14-2006 22:15
From: Burnman Bedlam
I wouldn't go so far as to say it is a false association, but rather *another* association. Whether or not there are perfectly non-racist... even anti-racist skinheads, unfortunately, does not excuse the fact that there are racists calling themselves skinheads.


Nor does it excuse the fact there are blacks who call eachother and themselves the 'n word.'

Its still inescusable to do what LL did..skinhead by itself does not mean racist.
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06-15-2006 03:51
From: Cheyenne Marquez

...why is it so hard to understand that in some circles the skinhead name is considered very offensive and as such, LL has to take action on it.




Forgive me for repeating myself, but this does need to be emphasised.

The issue, as I see it, is not that the Lindens disallowed the name. Nor that they banned an avatar from using a specific name. That is something which leaves an area for discussion.

It is that we are told they did so without any warning or discussion.
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06-15-2006 04:18
From: Sparky Widget
Backpedal much Burnman? And I'm not playing the victim, nor do I feel persecuted. I simply take offense to people who state that I and my friends are something we are not. Kinda like when my girlfriend takes offense to people stating that where *they* come from, all Mexicans are shiftless, lazy illegals. Not a whole lot of difference, really.

-S


This actually made me laugh outloud. For someone who "doesn't feel persecuted", you play the part rather well.

Your "lifestyle" is not a race. There is a huge difference between judging a race of people, and judging a group of people who have chosen to behave a certain way.

Are all skinheads racist? Apparently not. But that does not excuse the fact that there are racists who call themselves skinheads. And either the non-racist skinheads are so much of an insignificant minority in the realm of "skinheadedness" that many people have never heard of you, or you guys just royally suck at setting the record straight.
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06-15-2006 04:19
From: Selador Cellardoor
Forgive me for repeating myself, but this does need to be emphasised.

The issue, as I see it, is not that the Lindens disallowed the name. Nor that they banned an avatar from using a specific name. That is something which leaves an area for discussion.

It is that we are told they did so without any warning or discussion.


They do own SL, afterall. It is their platform. If they find something so horribly offensive that they wish to ban the individual who did it...

They can.
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06-15-2006 04:39
Burnman

Yes they can and again that is not the whole issue at hand.

The key questions are:

Was someone banned for using a name

If so, was that because the name had racist connotations.

If yes to both, why did LL ever take any of that persons money in the first place.

Why did they not permit the person to change their name

Following on from this LL are an organisation trying to attract RL companies to invest in SL, in addition to individuals investing in SL.

This absolute arbitary power is not going to attract any large investment in time or money, as arbitarily LL may decide, thanks for your Xthousand US$ investment, or your x thousand hours of time in developing objects in SL, but we have decided that your (insert any choice of anything) is not what we want.

But even worse, we will have a closed discussion about it and decided not let you know why you have been banned or even discuss it with you.

It may well be the is another reason, but with so many threads and views on this issue, LL need to respond.

If the speculation is right, I would be very concerned if I had a major investment in this game, or was spending alot of time developing objects for SL as it could all come crashing down on a whim.

Yes LL are the final arbiters, but sub messages sent out by those actions, need to be considered by LL and should be responded to.
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06-15-2006 05:16
From: Burnman Bedlam
And either the non-racist skinheads are so much of an insignificant minority in the realm of "skinheadedness" that many people have never heard of you, or you guys just royally suck at setting the record straight.


Or they might just not feel they have any reason to spend time pandering to the extreme ignorance and blinkered views of others?

Generally, a bigot is a bigot, and the ignorant are very often ignorant by choice. You won't change that no matter what you say. So why bother?
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06-15-2006 06:06
From: Kris Ritter
Or they might just not feel they have any reason to spend time pandering to the extreme ignorance and blinkered views of others?

Generally, a bigot is a bigot, and the ignorant are very often ignorant by choice. You won't change that no matter what you say. So why bother?


I am actually becoming amused at the rediculous notion that I am a bigot because I said "there are skinheads who are racists". That is not bigoted, that's true.

There are more vocal "white power" skinheads than there are non-racist skinheads. I have been asked multiple times by both African Americans and Jewish people if I am a skinhead (insert insult of choice here) because I shave my head. The association with racism that skinheads have with many people didn't come from me.

If you want to refer to a logical lack of information (given the lack of people standing up to correct the misunderstanding of a skinhead) bigotry, than you trivialize the plight of those who *are* actually subject to bigotry.

If you are going to accuse me of bigotry because I stated that there are people who call themselves skinheads and are racist, than you might want to think about what you're saying for a bit. It's goofy.
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06-15-2006 06:26
Actually Nowun, it is the whole issue.

The terms and conditions set forth in the ToS and supporting documentation, which you have to agree to when you sign up for Second Life, are actually pretty clearly written.

From: Second Life Terms of Service


2.3 You need to use an account name in Second Life which is not misleading, offensive or infringing. You must select and keep secure your account password.

You must choose an account name to identify yourself to Linden Lab staff (your "Account Name";), which will also serve as the name for the graphical representation of your body in the Service (such representation, an "Avatar";). You may not select as your Account Name the name of another person, a name which violates any trademark right, copyright, or other proprietary right, a name which may mislead other users to believe you to be an employee of Linden Lab, or a name which Linden Lab deems in its discretion to be vulgar or otherwise offensive. Linden Lab reserves the right to delete or change any Account Name for any reason or no reason. You are fully responsible for all activities conducted through your Account or under your Account Name.

2.6 Linden Lab may suspend or terminate your account at any time, without refund or obligation to you.

Linden Lab has the right at any time for any reason or no reason to suspend or terminate your Account, terminate this Agreement, and/or refuse any and all current or future use of the Service without notice or liability to you. In the event that Linden Lab suspends or terminates your Account or this Agreement, you understand and agree that you shall receive no refund or exchange for any unused time on a subscription, any license or subscription fees, any content or data associated with your Account, or for anything else.

3.3 Linden Lab retains ownership of the account and related data, regardless of intellectual property rights you may have in content you create or otherwise own.

You agree that even though you may retain certain copyright or other intellectual property rights with respect to Content you create while using the Service, you do not own the account you use to access the Service, nor do you own any data Linden Lab stores on Linden Lab servers (including without limitation any data representing or embodying any or all of your Content).

4.1 You agree to abide by certain rules of conduct, including the Community Standards and other rules prohibiting illegal and other practices that Linden Lab deems harmful.
You agree to read and comply with the Community Standards posted on the Websites, (for users 18 years of age and older, at http://secondlife.com/corporate/cs.php; and for users of the Teen Area, at http://teen.secondlife.com/footer/cs), as currently posted and as amended from time to time in Linden Lab's sole discretion.

In addition to abiding at all times by the Community Standards, you agree that you shall not: (i) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content that infringes or violates any third party rights; (ii) impersonate any person or entity, including, but not limited to, a Linden Lab employee, or falsely state or otherwise misrepresent your affiliation with a person or entity; (iii) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content that violates any law or regulation; (iv) take any action or upload, post, e-mail or otherwise transmit Content as determined by Linden Lab at its sole discretion that is harmful, threatening, abusive, harassing, causes tort, defamatory, vulgar, obscene, libelous, invasive of another's privacy, hateful, or racially, ethnically or otherwise objectionable;

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When using the Service, you may accumulate Content, Currency, objects, items, scripts, equipment, or other value or status indicators that reside as data on Linden Lab's servers. THESE DATA, AND ANY OTHER DATA, ACCOUNT HISTORY AND ACCOUNT NAMES RESIDING ON LINDEN LAB'S SERVERS, MAY BE DELETED, ALTERED, MOVED OR TRANSFERRED AT ANY TIME FOR ANY REASON IN LINDEN LAB'S SOLE DISCRETION.

YOU ACKNOWLEDGE THAT, NOTWITHSTANDING ANY COPYRIGHT OR OTHER RIGHTS YOU MAY HAVE WITH RESPECT TO ITEMS YOU CREATE USING THE SERVICE, AND NOTWITHSTANDING ANY VALUE ATTRIBUTED TO SUCH CONTENT OR OTHER DATA BY YOU OR ANY THIRD PARTY, LINDEN LAB DOES NOT PROVIDE OR GUARANTEE, AND EXPRESSLY DISCLAIMS (SUBJECT TO ANY UNDERLYING INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY RIGHTS IN THE CONTENT), ANY VALUE, CASH OR OTHERWISE, ATTRIBUTED TO ANY DATA RESIDING ON LINDEN LAB'S SERVERS.

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From: Community Standards


Intolerance
Combating intolerance is a cornerstone of Second Life's Community Standards. Actions that marginalize, belittle, or defame individuals or groups inhibit the satisfying exchange of ideas and diminish the Second Life community as whole. The use of derogatory or demeaning language or images in reference to another Resident's race, ethnicity, gender, religion, or sexual orientation is never allowed in Second Life.

Warning, Suspension, Banishment
Second Life is a complex society, and it can take some time for new Residents to gain a full understanding of local customs and mores. Generally, violations of the Community Standards will first result in a Warning, followed by Suspension and eventual Banishment from Second Life. In-World Representatives, called Liaisons, may occasionally address disciplinary problems with a temporary removal from Second Life.


So, as you can see, if the name of an individual is deemed to be offensive by Linden Labs, they can indeed ban the individual without refund, without recourse, and immediately.

Did you read the ToS when you signed up? And the Community Standards documentation?

Whether or not you view it as fair is irrelevant to the fact that LL viewed the name as potentially offensive to enough people to ban the individual. If you feel that such banishment was in error, feel free to contact LL and discuss the matter with them. But I can guarantee that someone saw the word "skinhead" in the name and was horrified due to the common association with the term "skinhead", and white supremicists.

Here's an interesting nugget for you:
From: The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition
  1. A person with a shaven head.
  2. A member of any of various groups of people, especially young people, who shave their heads and sometimes participate in white-supremacist and anti-immigrant activities.


And another:
From: WordNet ® 2.0, © 2003 Princeton University


n : a young person who belongs to a British or American group that shave their heads and gather at rock concerts or engage in white supremacist demonstrations


There you have it.
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Adriana Caligari
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06-15-2006 06:27
From: Burnman Bedlam

There are more vocal "white power" skinheads than there are non-racist skinheads.


Why would a non-racist skinhead be inclined to vocalise their non-racism ?
(Except maybe to pander to bigots and attempt to show that they are not what the other believes them to be)

Yes there probably are more VOCAL racist skinheads - but then there are probably more vocal "anything"-ists as that is the nature of the beast - to voice your oppinion against something.

The fact remains that skinhead was banned because of a name -
If he were banned because of race, creed, sex or political affiliations then Linden would be in court.

He was banned because he chose a name that Linden allowed him to choose, and use for several months before deciding - on a whim it appears - to close the account and dis-regard everything the person had done and just focus on 8 little letters.
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06-15-2006 06:32
From: Adriana Caligari
Why would a non-racist skinhead be inclined to vocalise their non-racism ?
(Except maybe to pander to bigots and attempt to show that they are not what the other believes them to be)

Yes there probably are more VOCAL racist skinheads - but then there are probably more vocal "anything"-ists as that is the nature of the beast - to voice your oppinion against something.

The fact remains that skinhead was banned because of a name -
If he were banned because of race, creed, sex or political affiliations then Linden would be in court.

He was banned because he chose a name that Linden allowed him to choose, and use for several months before deciding - on a whim it appears - to close the account and dis-regard everything the person had done and just focus on 8 little letters.


I would be willing to bet someone AR'd the name. I also threw a couple of dictionary references to the word skinhead in my last reply to this thread.
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06-15-2006 06:36
Burnman

It is the fact that in your part of the world 'skinhead' is per se racist that gives you your perspective. That doesn't mean you are right.

The world is far larger than your neck of the woods.

Where I am from (London) there is a widely held view that Americans are fat, loud and wear loud checked clothes. There is a view that people in Southern US states are racists. There is a view that anyone from Liverpool is a tracksuited wearing drunken good for nothing.

They are bigoted and wrong views. Just because that is an opinion based on your personal experience, or in your part of the world, does not make it fact.

Why should Skinheads the world over ensure that your small part of the world, has the correct information?

As a result of these debates, you have been informed by people all over the world, that Skinhead racists are the minority, not the majority, that there is not a world wide view that by the very use of the term Skinhead, is a racist slogan. No it doesn't change your personal experience in your part of the world, but perhaps it is a wake up call to look outside that small area and appreicate there are billions of people in the world, with different experiences and views and on this particular issue, you are plain wrong. Skinheads are not per se racist.

Or should I believe the rhetoric I hear which is that Americans are overweight, self centred, hypocritical, narrow minded bible bashers?

No, I think I will continue to believe that there are a few americans like that, but the vast majority are open minded, educated and considerate of others opinions.

Oh, the vast majority of the americans I have met, are that stereo typical image so using your logic.....

And either non-stereo typical americans are so much of an insignificant minority in the realm of "americanism" that many people have never heard of you, or you guys just royally suck at setting the record straight.

No, I don't believe it either.........
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06-15-2006 06:36
From: Burnman Bedlam



SNIP!


There you have it.


The TOS is NOT a legally binding agreement until the section concerned is tested in a court of law and declared valid.
Furthermore there are established laws that make unfair and/or unreasonable agreements unenforcable.
Many companies have TOS and similar agreements which are in fact in breach of common law. They are easily challenged and overturned.

Quoting the SL TOS is essentially meaningless - all it represents is the conditions LL would LIKE to impose on it's customers, however, unless the section in question has been upheld by a court it is not binding or legally enforcable.


And THERE you have it.

Oh, and by the way - what sort of first name is 'Burnman'? I find an exhortation to incinerate a fellow human being highly offensive, as would any right minded person.

Maybe we should form an orderly queue to complain?
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06-15-2006 06:45
From: Burnman Bedlam

There you have it.


(going off topic a little )

So why are there still "skinhead"'s in use in SL ? ( I saw two in Find )

The problem with TOS is that it is written in such a way as to mean that Linden can and will do anything and everything they wish as and when they so choose.

There are no guidelines as to when or how the TOS will be enforced - hardly the concrete foundation for attracting prospective business.

(back on topic)

And whilst i was there - found that there are numerous punks and rockers in the name database as well.

Think I will pop in-world and start AR'ing them as I remember those particular groups to be the racist, violent louts who use to think "Paki-bashing" was a sport in the UK and would regularly light up the news with their clashes. ( Or are there different varieties - I dont care I am using my perception )
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06-15-2006 06:47
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Burnman

It is the fact that in your part of the world 'skinhead' is per se racist that gives you your perspective. That doesn't mean you are right.

The world is far larger than your neck of the woods.

Where I am from (London) there is a widely held view that Americans are fat, loud and wear loud checked clothes. There is a view that people in Southern US states are racists. There is a view that anyone from Liverpool is a tracksuited wearing drunken good for nothing.

They are bigoted and wrong views. Just because that is an opinion based on your personal experience, or in your part of the world, does not make it fact.

Why should Skinheads the world over ensure that your small part of the world, has the correct information?

As a result of these debates, you have been informed by people all over the world, that Skinhead racists are the minority, not the majority, that there is not a world wide view that by the very use of the term Skinhead, is a racist slogan. No it doesn't change your personal experience in your part of the world, but perhaps it is a wake up call to look outside that small area and appreicate there are billions of people in the world, with different experiences and views and on this particular issue, you are plain wrong. Skinheads are not per se racist.

Or should I believe the rhetoric I hear which is that Americans are overweight, self centred, hypocritical, narrow minded bible bashers?

No, I think I will continue to believe that there are a few americans like that, but the vast majority are open minded, educated and considerate of others opinions.

Oh, the vast majority of the americans I have met, are that stereo typical image so using your logic.....

And either non-stereo typical americans are so much of an insignificant minority in the realm of "americanism" that many people have never heard of you, or you guys just royally suck at setting the record straight.

No, I don't believe it either.........


You speak much, but hear little.

In comparison with other societies, I can understand why people would think Americans are loud. As for the fat thing... that part's pretty accurate. We have more fat people here than any other nation. And there is racism everywhere in the US, unfortunately, however there does appear to be a larger number of racists in the south.

If you read my thread regarding the ToS to the end, you would have noted 2 different dictionary resources citing skinheads as you define them, as well as how you hate to be defined. We're both right in our associations with the term based on experts of the English language... but who am I kidding, right? The dictionary is a bigot.

As for the various stereotypes that are associated with Americans... I understand that a lot of us do fit them. I am perfectly happy knowing that I do not. You can think otherwise if you like, that's your right. ;)
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06-15-2006 06:49
From: Burnman Bedlam
And there is racism everywhere in the US, unfortunately, however there does appear to be a larger number of racists in the south.

*cough *cough* BULL SHIT
the largest concentration of racists is actually the Pacific Northwest, please get your facts straight.
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06-15-2006 06:52
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*cough *cough* BULL SHIT
the largest concentration of racists is actually the Pacific Northwest, please get your facts straight.


I'd love to see the "hate crime" statistics on this one Billybob. ;)
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06-15-2006 06:55
From: Burnman Bedlam
I would be willing to bet someone AR'd the name. I also threw a couple of dictionary references to the word skinhead in my last reply to this thread.


Both of those said "sometimes". Nobody is denying that some skinheads do these things.
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06-15-2006 06:59
From: Burnman Bedlam
I'd love to see the "hate crime" statistics on this one Billybob. ;)


You do realize, of course, that "hate crime" is a stupid, meaningless distinction, particularly in this case, right? Its a seriously over-used charge.
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06-15-2006 07:04
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I'd love to see the "hate crime" statistics on this one Billybob. ;)

its true the majority of white supremacists are actually based out of the Pacific Northwest. I'm not saying there aren't racists in the south, but the only real group is the KKK, most of the Neo-Nazi's and such are in the Pacific Northwest.

and here you go http://www.csmonitor.com/2004/0426/p01s01-ussc.html
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