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Alex Fitzsimmons
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07-04-2006 13:12
From: Flavian Molinari
I don't think there has ever truly been a war over religion only. That's just a common excuse.

Money and power, sometimes a preemptive strike to preserve the same. These are the usual motivations imo.


While I don't believe that the current war is over religion alone, I cannot agree that its role now is merely an excuse, nor can I agree that is has played only that role throughout history. There's a lot to be said about what it means to believe wholeheartedly in extraordinary claims without evidence, especially when those claims are the kinds of claims that can be found in books like the Bible and the Koran (to name just two), but I can't give a very adequate treatment of it here. After all, that's why someone wrote a book about it -- because it's really a book's worth of a subject. ;)
Dark Korvin
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07-04-2006 16:23
From: Michael Seraph
The Palestinian Authority is completely dependent on foreign aid. The majority of which comes from the Europe Union and the United States. They do receive our financial support. Now are you going to call for them to behave in a civilized fashion? Or are you going to find yet another excuse for terrorism?

There has been a large shifting of populations in the Middle East since the creation of Israel. Hundreds of thousands of Jews and Arabs have been expelled from their countries into Israel and out of Israel. If the state of Israel were to be destroyed today, where would the Jews go? Would the Arabs take them back? To live as second class citizens?

No, I think that is worse than the support of Israel. If the U.S. and Europe are supporting palestinians financially and militarily, then they truly are out of their minds. Are we funding both sides of this insane conflict? Are we trying to make it easy for these people to fight each other?
Dark Korvin
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07-04-2006 16:35
From: Michael Seraph
The Palestinian Authority is completely dependent on foreign aid. The majority of which comes from the Europe Union and the United States. They do receive our financial support. Now are you going to call for them to behave in a civilized fashion? Or are you going to find yet another excuse for terrorism?

There has been a large shifting of populations in the Middle East since the creation of Israel. Hundreds of thousands of Jews and Arabs have been expelled from their countries into Israel and out of Israel. If the state of Israel were to be destroyed today, where would the Jews go? Would the Arabs take them back? To live as second class citizens?

I'm looking at some sources. I can't find anything with a quick search showing that we are arming any palestinian groups except maybe through corruption, but you are right that they are sending a great deal of financial aid to the Palestinian Authority. I personally think we should pull all money out completely. Palestinians may starve, but maybe they can convince the idiot bombers among them to stop blowing up their neighbors.
Juro Kothari
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07-04-2006 18:49
From: Billy Grace
It implies shit Juro. You are a moron, DON'T MAKE THINGS UP AND ATRIBUTE THEM TO ME.

What is vicious is THE FARKING PALESTINIAN GOVERNMENT, the one electred by PALESTINIAN PEOPLE, supporting strapping a bomb to one of their supporters chest, having them walk into a market place, a bus, a nightclub, a grocery store and heroically blowing up WOMEN AND CHILDREN. Support that shit if you want, I NEVER will.

Sorry, for being late in responding on this, but I was camping and had no access.

Billy, you've seriously lost it. Has your account been hijacked by a 14yo? You better check on that.

Both the Palestinian and Israeli governments are vicious. Neither are innocent and both have broken hundreds of promises. In my eyes, they are about the same.

In your original post, you call out the Palestinians as people and say that supporting them is supporting killing every man, woman and child in Israel. That IS a generalization and racist, Billy. I didn't make anything up, Billy. I read your post - you should try re-reading it yourself and ask yourself, could "
support the Palestinians... you support killing every man, woman and child in Israel" lead someone to believe that ALL Palestinians are killers of some sort? Ya, it could.

I also find it disgusting that you, evidentally, feel that all Palestinians support violence. It shows you know very little about the people of Palestine.

From: Billy Grace
Let's see... support the Palestinians... you support killing every man, woman and child in Israel... support Israel and you support people who are literally fighting for survival.

This is an easy choice, I support the infidels, Israel.
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Michael Seraph
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07-05-2006 09:13
From: Juro Kothari
Sorry, for being late in responding on this, but I was camping and had no access.

Billy, you've seriously lost it. Has your account been hijacked by a 14yo? You better check on that.

Both the Palestinian and Israeli governments are vicious. Neither are innocent and both have broken hundreds of promises. In my eyes, they are about the same.

In your original post, you call out the Palestinians as people and say that supporting them is supporting killing every man, woman and child in Israel. That IS a generalization and racist, Billy. I didn't make anything up, Billy. I read your post - you should try re-reading it yourself and ask yourself, could "
support the Palestinians... you support killing every man, woman and child in Israel" lead someone to believe that ALL Palestinians are killers of some sort? Ya, it could.

I also find it disgusting that you, evidentally, feel that all Palestinians support violence. It shows you know very little about the people of Palestine.


Billy's statement was not racist. It may have been a broad generalization, but he didn't say anything about anybody's race. If I said "Americans are fat" it wouldn't be racist either. It would be a broad generalization. Making sweeping statements about a country isn't racist. Billy was saying that the Palestinians chose their government and are responsible for that choice. The ruling party of the Palestinian Authority is Hamas. Hamas' official policy is the destruction of the state of Israel. Hamas is a known terrorist organization.

And if you think both Israel and the Palestinians are the same, then explain a something for us. Why hasn't the PA ever arrested and convicted a Palestinian for engaging in terrorist attacks on Israelis, but Israel has arrested and convicted Israelis who have attacked Palestinians? Why does the elected government of the PA not recognize the existence of Israel, but the government of Israel recognizes the PA?
ksp Soyinka
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Join date: 19 Nov 2005
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07-11-2006 10:05
also from Wikipedia...

[ ...various sources, among them United Press International [29], Le Canard enchaîné and L'Humanité[30] have highlighted that Hamas' early growth - before its official founding and the creation of the military branch - had been supported by the Mossad as a "counterbalance to the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO)". Furthermore, the French investigative newspaper Le Canard enchaîné claimed that Shin Bet had also supported Hamas as a counterweight to the PLO and Fatah, in an attempt to give "a religious slant to the conflict, in order to make the West believe that the conflict was between Jews and Muslims", thus supporting the controversial thesis of a "clash of civilizations". ]
Cindy Claveau
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07-11-2006 11:05
From: Dark Korvin
I'm looking at some sources. I can't find anything with a quick search showing that we are arming any palestinian groups except maybe through corruption, but you are right that they are sending a great deal of financial aid to the Palestinian Authority. I personally think we should pull all money out completely. Palestinians may starve, but maybe they can convince the idiot bombers among them to stop blowing up their neighbors.

Do a Google on "Barbra Streisand" and "Palestine".
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