Why does it seem the SL population hates Christians?

Brianna, that sound more like insecurities. If you honestly didnt believe, it would not bother you. Unless of course a part of you felt there might really be a hell.

Yes. And you're evangelizing.



Erm...no. At no point did I say God doesn't exist. In fact, I've been saying God likely exists, and I believe that all religions view a facet of the almighty, and are all to one degree or another correct. If you can't comprehend modern English, no wonder you struggle with the Bible's meaning.

And you did proselytize. You created a post where you claimed you were being persecuted, and as time went on, proved that was BS by telling us all that SL needs Jesus badly, and citing us as why.



I agree with this, but I don't think you do. At least not the first part, because your actions say otherwise. I think you're agreeing for the sake of retaining credibility, and I'm calling you on your lie, possibly a lie to yourself as well.

And God did get me to believe, and She's been wonderful to me ever since. We tend to get in spats about my smoking from time to time, and the wind seems to only blow my lighter out in a crowd rather often, so I've been quitting with Her help you could say ^.^ .



Perhaps, but I have no religious tenets saying I shouldn't judge people, whereas you do. And what I am judging are actions, not people. Technically, that means that I'm closer to your God than you are completely on accident....think on that one a while.

No, it has to do with not wanting to hear bullshit from dickheads like you. Understand that?

Briana Dawson

My point was that the holiday is based on the lunar calendar from its Pagan roots. My problem, as I've stated, isn't with Christians; its with people who interpret religion literally and use it to further their own agendas or as an excuse for bad behavior.

Regards,

-Flip

It doesn't bother me. What does bother me is the naked ego that is exposed in the process.

I have 3 post in this thread, where I never judged ANYONE. Yet, you are here calling me names, accusing me of being judgemental and using stereotypes against me.

All I said in the page 30 something post you refered to is that I thought it would be a good thing to give people an alternative to the porn, guns and smut that polutes SL. I didnt say I was going to stand in the WA handing out bibles.

Please point me to a single thread in this post where I judged you, as you have accused me.

Because one doesn't have to be of the religion to find value in the Bible, or even include it in their personal faith.

Further, it's entirely reasonable to demand that those who preach, practice. Judgmental Christians are, by their very nature, practitioners of hypocrisy, not the love their faith prescribes.

Finally, the above is combined with attempting to force others to take on that belief system, and any attack on freedom is a horrible, horrible thing worth despising.

Read below for your answer - your are evangelizing, pushing your beliefs on others, being incredible-self rightous and judgemental.

Keep it to yourself. Learn to live and let live. Then we'll all be happier.

On the last page, you told someone that her statement that noone would want to be judged by someone else was based on her insecurities, and in a condescending manner at that.

You've told people that their lifestyles, practices, religions, etc, are going to condemn them and told us all that SL needs Jesus. This is a matter of your own judgment against an entire community. You are not a personal messenger of God in SL, because if you were, you'd be using much more successful measures.

So yes, you've been judgmental. Not so much as Lewis though.

You know that spot when you were surrounded by pagans and you felt like you were defending yourself? Had you looked back in the sand you would have found one set of footprints and some tank tracks - those were made by Jesus when he was defending you.

Keep the faith, the lord moves in mysterious ways and drives an M41.

So you presume to know me?

Nah you aren't being self-righteous at all, are you?

Briana Dawson

I will attempt to address this -

Lets say for example I were a relationship guru and I told you your marriage was definitely going to fail , since after talking to your wife she shows many common signs of cheating. Even if you did not beleive me how would that make you feel?

Lets say as another example your son has his heart set on playing high school football, however in junior high his coach tells you he is a very poor player and would be better off trying another sport. Even if you didnt agree with the coach, your son being judged like that could bother you.

Lets say you just got done voting. You make the mistake of revealing how you voted. Someone very politacally Savvy tells you how poor your choices were. You dont agree but the criticism was scathing.

You are a salesman and you try to sell a product to a long time customer. The customer tells you sorry but they went with someone else, becuase your sales quality is severely inferior and your company will be going out of business soon. You dont agree but you are very disapointed.

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I could go on and on - theres many variables in something like this.

It can be as simple as some people have low self confidence and self esteem and being judged by others is difficulty to them. Even if they dont agree.

If everyone on earth had a huge Ego and nothing fazed them - then your question would be totally valid.

If people hadnt been killed over that very judgement you mention - then you question might also be more valid.

As it is, telling people they are damned. Even if they dont agree, is extremly offensive.

It appears the almighty is a lousy Bulldog pilot then.

I dont understand how saying god wants a presense, and YOU ARE GOING TO HELL FOR NOT BELIEVING, are the same thing.

Perhaps assuming that 1) God isn't already here, 2) that God needs to be here in the first place, and 3) implying that somehow you're divinely gifted with establishing that presence has something to do with it.

Edit: Really, focus on point #1 for your comparison to the blatant accusation of damnation to which you were referring. Knowing Christians believe that places without their God are all damned to hell, which is common knowledge of the Christian faith, one can assume by saying God isn't here already, you're saying we're all damned to hell. Granted, that means that in many cases Christians can't openly speak about your ideas on religion vs life without getting snapped at, but you did that to yourselves.

Corvus you like to twist stuff. I didnt say I was gifted, anyone who believes can create a presense. Only thing I am gifted with is the ability to breath air and feel love.

Stop trying to paint a picture of me being something I am not. You dont know me and obviously refuse to read what my words are actually saying.

Response to your edit: I never even said anyone was going to hell.

I will not respond anymore to you Corvus because you are twisting things just for the sake of arguement. Unlike Flipper, who actually makes valid opinions, who are just trolling and I am a fool for falling for it.

Obviously you are, if you're saying that God wasn't present before you got here. You painted the picture yourself, I'm just making sure the lighting is right so when displayed, people see both sides of everything you say.

There is a fine line between religious devotion and being unintentionally malicious. His response to a legitimate question albeit it poorly stated and eventhough it speaks of his religious aspersions came across as being more or less antisemitic and bigotted -- whether that was intentional or not remains to be seen. I don't think Lewis sees himself as a bigot, but he has to realize that he comes across as such with certain statements he makes and that beiing a devout Christian isn't a viable excuse for making offensive statements. Like Flipper said in another post, I too am tired of people hiding behind religion and the bible as an excuse for bad behavoir which is what this is a case of.

The really funny part about that is that most of the real world "porn, guns and smut" come from people who also profess to be Christians, like Larry Flynt (ignoring for a moment that porn and smut are essentially the same thing, so you were redundant. And the fact that "porn and smut" in SL aren't really hurting anybody -- neither can SL's virtual guns, for that matter).

One of the basic precepts of most Christian ethos that I really detest is this idea that human sexuality is "dirty". I'm all for allegiance to family and marriage but that has nothing at all to do with the fact that the human body is a beautiful, sensual thing that should be celebrated, not shamed. Left to the Dark Ages mentality of most fundies, women would be frigid chattel beaten & locked in the bedroom barefoot, our only purpose in life to bear children and wash the dishes. No fucking thanks.

Did you know that about 95% of convicted felons in prison profess to believe the Bible? Believing the Bible doesn't do squat for the quality of a person's character, though it might help you with the Parole Board. They're completely different issues. I don't have to believe in your superstitions to be a good person or to lead a happy and fullfilled life, but that's what you and Lewis seem to want us to think. If it works for you, great, but don't fall into the logic trap of believing that your stereotypical boilerplate ethics need to be accepted by everyone else. That's the kind of thinking that motivates Wahhabism, and we know where that goes.

Read: You can't argue with what I said, so I must be wrong. Creepy.

Let me put it in simpler terms. I'll put it in verse form if that's easier, just let me know.

Christians believe that people who do not believe as they do are going to Hell.
That means if a Christian says that a place requires the presence of their God, they're by default saying their God was't already involved in the place. Because of how Christianity works that means that the people in that place who are without their God are going to hell. So you don't have to directly say it to say it.

Ok I lied Corvus but just to prove you twist stuff.

"This response was amazing. Such a thing makes the truth very clear. God wants to have a presense in SL. God is calling for the gospels to be spread through this new technology and give an alternative to the filth and sin that exist here. Many of you need, and are wheeping behind your harsh words to be saved by Jesus. It reminds me of Moses going up into the mountains to get the commandments while all the sin was going on by his followers at the bottom of the mountain."

That was my quote from Flipper.

1) Where did I say I was going to bring god to SL? I said it is clear god wants a presense here. You can choose to not believe this. I am fine with that. But for you to sit here and judge me for believing makes you a hypocrit yourself

2)Yes, I do sense many people in this thread could use faith in Jesus. I never said I was going to seek them out and force my religion on them

3)Never once in this thread have I judged anyone the way you you judge me.

Karma , Lewis, Karma.

Love to all

Zafs

Jennyfur,

I am curious what you would have had Lewis say in response to that question. If someone believes that any non-Christian will not go to heaven, how can they be true to that and answer the loaded question they were asked? I agree that hiding behind the bible to justify bad behavior is lame, I am tired of it too. I don't see Lewis doing that, however, by answering a question posed of him with an answer that is true to his beliefs.

OK, I'll answer.



A lash out in the form of a question. Still, I'll bite. First, you are claiming to know what God wants as an absolute, not a belief. You also said that there is filth and sin here, where many of us don't believe in the existence of sin. Again, this was presented as an absolute, not a belief. I don't judge you for believing, I applaud belief, I judge your actions of being a hypocrite by making a backhanded attempt at evangelism. And as I said, I'm no hypocrite even if I were to judge you, because I have no laws saying I shouldn't, whereas you do.



By saying this, you are telling people they are flawed in a way that may or may not be true. This is passing judgment. Through that passage of judgment, your assumption that people are "weeping" out of a need for faith as they argue is not only dramatic, but saying they don't have real faith in what they already believe, which is insulting. Proselytizing, which is attempting to bring others into your own faith, is by its nature a forceful event. You don't have to beat someone bloody to force your beliefs on them, which you did by saying the things we do here are sinful and need change.

3) Again, I judge your action, not you. However, even if I did judge you, I have no religious law requiring I do not, whereas your own savior told you not to judge. And you have judged.

I should mention, last night posted how I was raised roman catholic, and for more than half my life it turned me off religion, for many of the reasons you are stating in your own post. I found most Catholics to be hypocrits and judgemental. I hate to attack Roman Catholic church but I blame them for the periods in my life where I had no faith.

I then started attending a Christian Church as I grew older. The translations spoke to me much clearer.

1) I dont beleive in delaring anyone is going to hell. It would be a sin for me to judge you

2) God is all loving. Even if you sin, god loves you and will forgive you. Jesus Christ died for this reason and made it possible

My point is, you are assuming things about me.