Why does it seem the SL population hates Christians?

Aye, I think I'm done here. This thread has long lost its original point, and when all I'm having to do is defend myself I don't think there's any point in wasting my time doing so.

Lewis

You know that's really funny how often this is misinterpreted. At the time there at the sermon of the mount (beatitudes) Christianity was still relatively a start-up operation. It's what isn't said here that is the meaning.

Meek shall inherit the earth
(or blessed are the meek, they shall inherit earth)
Or any one of a thousand versions of the bible really....

It's saying here, stand up or get buried, Christians durring this time period were anything but meek they were revolutionaries....

In translations etc etc some stuff was dropped, in the Moretic Hebrew (one of the early codexes the bible was translated from, 4th to 5th c. AD) it says more to the effect of "Ours is the Kingdom of heaven and Bless the meek for they shall be put to earth"

So I find it really amusing that you are getting ready....

Edit - Masoretic

Don't get my wrong Cristiano, its not that for the sole reason of his being a devout Christian that I see him as being a hatemonger or antisemite -- its for statements so blatant as his ones about the Holocaust as irrelevant and that all 6 million Jews who died during the Holocaust are condemned to hell for not accepting Christ because they could have accepted christ and didnt. That to me is antisemitic and hatemongering no matter how you slice it, dice it or spin it. There is no way anyone can justify the near extermination of an entire people with a shrug of the shoulders and an "oh well they were going to hell anyways for not accepting Christ". Not only that it is extremely disrespectful and shits on the memories of all those people who died during the Holocaust. How would you feel if that was your grandmother he was talking about? How would you feeling knowing that 90% of your family died for that very reason?

So you don't recognize the Jesus fish, you don't have a Christmas Tree, you don't eat candy bunnies or eggs or hide eggs for children on easter, you don't recognize the purple sash when draped across the Cross as a Christian symbol, and you don't decorate with harvest items of any kind on Hallowe'en?

Read: "You're actually starting to make me think. That hurts. RUN AWAY!!!!"

I haven't read the thread. But I wanted to respond to the original poster.

You have your faith in God and Jesus Christ. You are blessed. What difference does it make what anyone else thinks? Remember Jesus said to turn the other cheek. If anything, you could use the interactions as an opportunity to demonstrate the joy and peace you receive at the blessings of Jesus Christ. Or even just say a prayer for these people and move on.

Nothing is gained by arguing with people who do not believe as you do. It is all in God's hand. Trust Him.

Flipper,

The celebration of Easter is simply a memorial, and there are significant historical reasons why it is always celebrated on a Sunday and why the date moves from year to year, whereas Christmas is always on a specific date. Chrisitians do not believe that Christ literally re-rises every year.

No. A myth is a body of lore built on oral tradition. Like Christianity. My atheism is hallmarked by a singular LACK of lore (like belief in invisible men in the sky). I require evidence and logic before investing belief. I realize that many of my fellow humans don't, and I don't judge them for that. But I do find it hard to sit still when someone tries to throw their ancient myths at me as if they have any relevant value.


So it's back to wearing your martyr hat hm? Lewis, read what I said again. Pay especially close attention to the phrase "What anti-Semitic Christians neglect to realize" -- did I say "What anti-semites like Lewis..."? No. Your name was not used.

The fact is that Christianity has been responsible for some of the worst of the Jewish pogroms through history, even if you discount the Nazi holocaust. Anti-semitism was ingrained in the new faith from the beginning, when Paul struggled with the Jerusalem faction (under Jesus' brother James) for supremacy in the Church. It continues even today with the unspoken assumption that "Jews killed Christ". Sounds to me like Christians would be better served by tending to their own body of flawed bigotry before they try to preach love & brotherhood to the rest of us.

http://www.remember.org/History.root.classical.html

April, the original poster was citing an incident that likely never happened, in order to vault his own faith up onto the forums and try to evangelize. This is further evidenced somewhere around page 30 of this thread, where he finally responds to his own post by evangelizing.

The reason there's argument here is because most of us agree with you, even those of us who are not Christian, but that is not enough for the OP or Lewis. Instead, they spout rhetoric and try to threaten or subvert people into buying into their faith over their own, or lack thereof.

Lewis this thread is not anti christian at all, and honestly, being a card carrying member of the ACLU, I would actually defend your right to be an anti semetic pig. However as someone who grew up in the deep south, had clansmen for neighbors, had a cross burned on his front lawn as a child, and just 2 years ago was told I could not park my then Wifes's SUV in the company lot becuase as a Wiccan she had a bumper sticker that said my godess created yout god, and the "christian" managment didnt like it, I will call you out as a racist narrow minded prig, any time and every time I see you do so.

IN short I beleive you are a hate mongering antisemite whos revels in telling us how we are all gowing to hell, and I will call you on it every time. But I will defend your to be the idiot you are

Too bad you didn't work for Hewlett-Packard, they would have given you a parking lot closer to the building just to advertise their diversity. And I believe you could have still taken your bosses to court and won.

The ironic thing is that while the ACLU defends Christians as often as they do anyone else, many Christians and all Fundies cringe at those four letters being put together in that sequence, and literally equate the ACLU with an act of Satan.

Jennyfur,

With all due respect, you are reading way more into what he said and attributing things to him that he did not say. I had not read his comments about the Holocaust previously (I read them before responding to you), and again his delivery is in poor taste, but I don't find his answer to be anti-Semitic specficially.

Look at the question he was asked - he was asked if he believed the 6 million people who died in the Holocaust were going to hell. He actually answered it consistently based upon his beliefs. Whether they died in the Holocaust or died of natural causes, to him, because they did not accept Jesus, again, he does not believe they would go to Heaven. That is what he meant by it being irrelevant in the context of this thread (a poor choice of words, indeed, but accurate - he is not saying the Holocaust itself is irrelevant). How the person died is not relevant to the question of whether they get into heaven or not if you believe that only those who accept Jesus get into heaven. It was an incendiary question to begin with, and a very sensitive topic in an already inflamed thread. The question itself seems more a troll than anything.

For the record, these are not my religious beliefs at all - I am just speaking to what I am seeing from my perspective.

Here is what was asked, and Lewis's answer:

I'm just not saying much cuz of the way the priests are looking at me makes me feel uncomfertable.

It doesn't even have a farking "h" in it!

Which version? =P

Simple answer. As you noted in the beginning of your post. Many SAY that they follow the code while committing every kind of evil and offense. Others DO it. I don't think anyone is objecting to the Christians who follow the code, but rather the ones who spend all their time judging others.

Yep, and the 10 commandments could be condensed down to one...

Thou shalt not be a tit

I was toying "thou shalt be nice", but I liked the idea of Charlton Heston comming down from the mountain and proclaiming "Thou shalt not be a tit!" better

Agreed, it is the judgement and intolerance of others who do not share their beliefs which bothers me the most, and why I have a major problem with a lot of "Christians" who are anything but examples of the teachings of Jesus. Let me worry about my own life and path to the afterlife, you worry labout your life and stay the hell out of mine. That applies to so many things - some people are always trying to control how others live their lives based upon how they feel they should live their own.

W00t go Guns N' Moses!

this sums it up well.

Another point I think is there are many varieties/ groups organized and less organized of "Christains" - some are more open minded than others.

Perhaps also it is in a function of the individual and not the particular beleif. Were Lewis a muslim his rhetoric might take on a similiar slant.

Corvus, there is a huge difference between evangelizing and seeking to create a presense. I am not in this thread preaching about Jesus, but YOU are here preaching there is no god. I also stated I would never push my religion on anyone, those who are called upon will find the message. I am not more powerful than god and if he couldnt get you to believe, how could I?

So who is the evangelist. I am just enjoying this thread for what it is worth. Talk about being judgemental, those calling Christians judgemental are doing nothing but judging me.

*looks blindly for the Church of Aimee Weber*

It's next to the adult bookstore in the bad part of Midnight City.

I have a question. This has always confused me.

If you dont beleive in the bibles message. Why would you get so bothered when a judgemental Christian declares you will be going to hell for not believing?

I am not trolling, I am being totally serious. It is something few have been able to give me a real answer to.

Uh, who wants to be judged by ANYONE, let alone some self-righteous bible-banger.

Briana Dawson