A Question for Christians

Of COURSE I am.

Because this Amendment has NOTHING to do with the anti-gay marriage thing coming from Christian morals, based on the Bible.

Of course not. It's all about protecting the... um... wait...

If it's not about Christian morals, based on the Bible, then... what IS it about?

Trust me, I'm NOT confusing two different things. They are all linked.

you are confusing the bible with people who claim it says something it doesn't. You think the Koran says that America is an infidel and must be destroyed, because the last time I checked the Koran also taught against murder.

Actually, you ARE confusing two different things.

Oposing gay marriage != "hating fags". No matter how much you might want to make everyone believe to the contrary.

Ok, now that you have demonstrated to us all that you can use the QUOTE button.

OMFG what are you talking about. I quoted that part of the bible which specifically refers to the wicked, depraved, and homosexual. And then said how people who fall under that umbrella (wicked, depraved and/or homosexual) seem to reintepret that part of the bible.

THe very fact that you by your own admission 'pick and choose' what parts of the bible to believe in and or reinterpret simply proved the point.

Briana Dawson

Who is quoting from the Bible to denounce homosexuality?

thank you for answering your own question

What is it then? Tolerence? Acceptance?

all abominations are welcome in Neualtenburg!!

Not me

Briana Dawson

Yay! I just hope it doesn't interfere with me having Taco's baby.

True.

Opposing same sex marriage = "hating equality".

Ok, so then you are either:

a) Wicked
b) Depraved
c) Homosexual (one of them corn fed types, ya know )

Briana Dawson

How many times do you want to send me on a guilt trip? I have been a wicked person on three very real occasions.

Only three?

OK OK OK

I had no idea you were identifying with being one of those 3 until this last post.

I'd apologize but I feel your self inflicted guilt trip is misguided.

You are not going to hell Billybob because hell doesn't exist.

And even if hell did exist, all you have to do is:

a) Go to confession;
b) Accept Christ into your life.
c) Become an atheist

See, there are all kinds of options out there for you. So stop feeling so bad about yourself.

Briana Dawson

I'm not Catholic

This thread is not about homosexuality or politics. It's about a specific quote from the Bible.

A couple have people have said that it actually means that rich people cannot buy their way into heaven. But that is not what it says. "It is easier for a cord to pass through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven."

No matter how you interpret, that sentence seems crystal clear to me. If you're rich, you've had it, so far as salvation goes. No fudging, no getting round it.

The following verses are interesting.

25 When his disciples heard it, they were exceedingly amazed, saying, Who then can be saved?

26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible.

I haven't checked yet, but I presume that is the King James version?

At first it doesn't seem to make much sense. Verse 25 is perfectly clear, and makes the point I made in my first posting.

But Verse 26 doesn't seem to have much connection with verse 24. With men this is impossible; but with God all things are possible. What does that mean? Not, I would suggest, what some people have suggested - that God will grant a special dispensation to those rich people he approves of.

'This' doesn't refer to anything, and suggests either that a verse is missing, or that verse 26 is an addition. Certainly, if we are to take it at face value, then it is in direct contradiction with verse 24, which is absolutely unequivocal.

It seems that Verse 26 is there to make obfuscation easier. It seems to me Verse 24 is stated in such a strong way and with such clarity, it casts doubt on the authenticity of Verse 26, especially in light of Jesus' other pronouncements about renouncing wealth, family and friends.

yeah because context is never relevant and there is no room for allegory in religion!


btw, selador, next time you can save some time and just post this:

"i was just wondering... why you are retarded? p.s. i am teh smart!"

In my opinion, what Jesus was referring to here deals with pride. There is another passage in which he tells a story about a rich man who had it all. It says that he said to himself, "You've got it made. You lack for nothing." That night, however, he died, and God called him a fool for neglecting the eternal things in fovor of those things which are merely temporary.

In other words, it's virtually impossible for a rich man to make it to heaven because they tend to feel self-sufficient rather than realizing their need for God.

Just my L$0.02 worth.

P2

Yes... You have.

And this on too....... John 7:24 (King James Version)
King James Version (KJV)
Public Domain



24Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.

And what constitutes "righteous judgement"?

Briana Dawson

Sorry? I really don't understand this.

But if that's the case, surely Jesus would have said: "It is easier .... than for a proud man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven." Your interpretation would possibly allow exceptions, but in my view the statement of Jesus does not allow any latitude whatever.

personally I accept the explanation that he's saying you can't buy your way into heaven and that only god judge your worth. Personally, since I'm not rich, I'm genetically engineering an extremely tiny camel.