Why is beating children legal?

children don't process consequences in long term ways

they process it by fear of immediate pain

spanking is the deterrant for misbehaving that a chld understands

trust me, a spanking kept me in line when i didn't want to follow the rules

to respect laws and consequences at any early age is a gift that gives throughout life

now this is different than beating. if you are punishing them by spanking them, that is one thing. if you are angry, never hit your kid. schedule a time for the spanking, and make it later on after you have cooled off, and let them know their hide will be tanned later. then they have to wait for it and think about why they will be getting spanked the whole time

I, of course, didn't like being spanked, but in retrospect, I would prolly be in jail or would have injured myself severly not following directions by now if not for a basic fundamental respect for consequences, that were taught at the earliest age from spanking

We used covers on the sockets. Simple really.

I find it interesting that where spanking is outlawed, the children are much more better behaved than in the states that allow it.

If I am so dam wrong how come I, and so many of my freinds, and the millions of people who follow the same philosopy, have well adjusted children ?

So did my parents. And according to them, I had figured out how to take them out about a week later.

Then they needed to hit you ?

Why ?

Because the covers wern't good enough ?

My opinions are always open to sensible debate.

children don't process consequences in long term ways

they process it by fear of immediate pain

spanking is the deterrant for misbehaving that a chld understands

trust me, a spanking kept me in line when i didn't want to follow the rules

to respect laws and consequences at any early age is a gift that gives throughout life

now this is different than beating. if you are punishing them by spanking them, that is one thing. if you are angry, never hit your kid. schedule a time for the spanking, and make it later on after you have cooled off, and let them know their hide will be tanned later. then they have to wait for it and think about why they will be getting spanked the whole time

I, of course, didn't like being spanked, but in retrospect, I would prolly be in jail or would have injured myself severly not following directions by now if not for a basic fundamental respect for consequences, that were taught at the earliest age from spanking

As for spanking adults...well I'm starting to suspect my submissive actually likes them!

Ok, when you graduate from armchair psychology insult slinging to "sensible debate", let us know. We'll leave the light on for you.

Here's an insult for you, since you seem to like to communicate in that manner - I'll hazard a guess that you're mentally abusive. Your bilous responses point in that direction.

How can the millions of people who follow the philosophy of spankings included in discipline have well adjusted children? They do, at around the same rough 'percentage' as those who use other philosophies.

Nolan, it's unneeded to drop to that level. He's already made his views clear and jumping into the frey is what he wants. They have to have someone make them into a victim for it to work, so just don't, OK?

Seriously. And aside from our rare differances, you're better than that.

I think thats a common trait.. I tend to tie my subs hair to the bedroom doorknob anymore (unless I use the hairbrush).. but thats between CONSENTING ADULTS before anyone get ideas. I've also never punished my sub in any form while I was angered.

You know, in thinking back on my own life, being raised by an extremely mentally abusive dad, I have realized something.

I've realized that those 5 or 6 spankings I got in gradeschool don't even come up in my mind until someone mentions spanking.

What is MUCH closer to the surface is all of the "you'll never amount to anything" type statemnts leveled at me by my father. They affect me to this day.

Ferrets are next to impossible to litterbox train. Add to it theit intelligence and perfect willingness to trick you inot thinking they are trained..and then they pee in the corner right in front of you-on purpose.-

All joking aside.. I love all 3 of mine.

I was inspired to post this by a thread about child sexual abuse. Let me tell you folks, that being spanked (beaten) by your own parent is far more traumatic for the child than being molested.

Don't take my word for it. Ask any kid.

From all the statistics I've seen would suggest the leaning is more 60/40 toward non-spanking school. Which is fairly good considering the issue is really about making a cultural change toward non-violence. I don't expect this to be easy, people have have been beating up each other since before they crawled out of apehood. Shame is, it seems to me, that so many of us are still little better than talking Chimpanzees.

I think psychological violence is equally wrong, undesirable violent behaviour. It can leave invisible scars that never heal. But don't use it as an argument in defence of spanking, both are wrong.

<ahem>

Oook?

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<pushes a large black oblesk onto Svarog>

OOOK!


<sorry. My sci-fi humor circut kicked in...>

Interesting coming from someone who uses psychological violence in a debate. See what you're doing, by comparing people to animals and the like because they disagree with you about something, is really quite close to the tactics used by emotionally abusive parents. I know because I lived it, and I sure hope you don't take this tack with your kids.

And I'll use it any way I like, see you're not my mum.

Now, I have to go in to work for a couple hours - I'll be sure to check this thread when I get back to see if you put out more proof of your mental abuse of others.