Why is beating children legal?

I agree, this is a completely ridiculous statement as any victim of sexual abuse would testify. But at any level, hitting a child is a form molestation. It's quite amazing how people try to justify their own inadaquate parental behaviour by falling back on the far too simplistic argument that slapping a child is Ok. It's only a little slap. It may appear ok at the time but it only happened because the parent lost control and people all too often resort to violence when they lose control over a situation.

Even ancient cultures understood the value of displine.... shall we forget 'spare the rod, spoil the child?'

My opinions are always open to sensible debate. Half thought out ill reasoned sweeping comments don't make the grade for me I'm afraid. I don't resort to violence when people disagree with me. Ignoring me is your right I'm very happy to have a person who'se willing to use violence against children ignore me. If you can convince me your actions are correct I'll come over to your side.

Bullshit.

Been there, done that, and bullshit.

Modern culture understands we need to grow up and enter an age where we examine and learn from the mistakes caused by many of the simplistic rules that governed ancient cultures.

Ok simple reason:

- Explaining to her not to run out into the road DID NOT stop her.
- The spanking, combined with the reasoning and a dire threat of another spanking if she did it again, DID stop her doing so.

Is it a conclusive lab test? Nope.

Also, I have to look to your phrasing and can't ignore that any facts I bring up will simply be put aside. You have already decided that:

- But at any level, hitting a child is a form molestation.
- It may appear ok at the time but it only happened because the parent lost control and people all too often resort to violence when they lose control over a situation.
- A person who's fallen this low simply often needs some friendly help and guidance to bring them to understand how to correct a childs bad behaviour without damaging the child.

So sorry, I will not bother to argue with you. Your attitude shows no interest in debating this issue, just belittling anyone who does not fall in step with you on it. And that can be PROVEN with one last quote:

- If you beat your daughter you need help.

Now, go pull someone's chain, I personally have better things to do.

G'night Gracie!

Lord forbid I agree with Mulch, but he has a point.

Spanking is not "violence" if done properly.

I am not "damaged" to think spanking is OK because I was spanked... I think spanking is OK because, guess what... I was spanked and it *didn't hurt me*, and it was effective punishment.

It is not "beating your child". Spanking a child will never cause harm to a child... beating one will.

I hearby revoke your title of witchhunter! You didn't join him at roasting me at a steak!

<tsk> Witchhunters today!

Witchhunters are all about discipline though.

Beating children IS illegal in the USA.
However, spanking is not the same as being beaten.

Now --spanking with a metal hairbrush bristle side down --THAT would be beating. But no unruly kid has ever been damaged (and I daresay they have been improved) by a few hard barehanded swats on the fanny by a serious parent.

Ow. Just... Ow...

I don't want to know where you got that description from...

Obviously you don't!

Antithetical beliefs are the most difficult to change of course maybe impossible even. And for sure you will have a very hard time turning me on this particular subject, one which, as a parent I have studied and practised.

Show me a violent adult who was not taught the first violent lesson at home.


The whole idea of spanking is to inflict pain and humiliation, that is not violence ?

wtf ?





And so the cycle continues.

personal experience. I KNOW what real beating is. And I would have been quite happy with a normal spanking.

Modern culture has lost many of the morals of the past such as not hitting women and saying sir or maam to adults when you are a child. Modern society seems pretty well in the toilet.. ancient society seems better.

Speaking as a middle-aged woman --the Ma'am thing creeps the hell out of me.

Though I like the Southern practice of saying Miss.

Miss Maddie has such a ring to it.

Miss or maam, its a respect thing. this is how I was raised. Believe me- people -like- people around them who respect them, rather than rude ignorant pusses alot of todays children turn out to be.

I also picke dup the southern belle manner of insulting while being perfectly polite..

Oh, one more thing..

Respcting others..proper ettiquete (not royal court, but politeness) and the other opinions I've expressed..

I was raised with phsyical discipline, if anything I was -emotionally- abused, not physically. I'm 25..and that puts me in one of the 'younger' generations. I look at alot of people my age as uncouth..and younger even more so.

Well I'm fairly of the same opinion about modern society atm, but mmm, let's send the kids up that sooty, flaky old chimney, or maybe force them to crawl under deadly machinery to pick up bits of thread. Perhaps we should send them into the playroom where can be seen and not heard ? Or sell them as slaves.

Which culture is better ? I'd love know how to answer that, I'm not suggesting anyone try though. We might start another war!

And since when has violence against women been any less in the past ?

Which doesn't effect my arguement, because we have a different definition of violence.




Nope.



Actually, I'm gay... Without some changes to adoption law, and a huge change in my own personality (Kids... shudder), I'm not going to be spanking anyone... Well, any child.

Oh I dont know... I've never done drugs, never did under-age drinking, didnt smoke cigarettes till I was 18, never been in any serious trouble as a child. Why? My Dad would paddle my ass!! It got to a point where all he had to do was give you a "look" and you'd stop. We were considered the most polite, well-behaved children. How many 8-10 yr olds can sit at a dinner table in a fancy restaurant (as in wine lists, suit N tie attire, etc) without causing a fuss? Know why? We knew that if we mis-behaved (and sometimes did regardless) we'd have a sore ass when we got home.

While I don't believe in spanking a child for every lil' mistake, there comes a time when you'd have to. Explaining what they did wrong to a child doesnt work. Like 8 yr olds understand the consequences of their actions!! My niece is going on 2 this year. We dont use spankings with her, she's too young. A really light swat on the hand & a stern voice helps. Or maybe we should've just let her stick her finger in that electrical socket, yes? 110 volts of electricity might be better than a smack on the hand. Then after she's done convulsing I'll explain in a nice adult manner why that was wrong of her to do. Think that'd work instead?

How about naughty leftie trannies?

Being gay doesn't get you out of it ! Being brutalised as a child and growing up to use the argument that brutalisation is an effective method for child discipline is to defensively avoid the truth. There are more effective ways to do it. If I am so dam wrong how come I, and so many of my freinds, and the millions of people who follow the same philosopy, have well adjusted children ? I have never and will never hit my child. If I do I will know I have gone over the edge of acceptable human behaviour and I'll seek to address my own problem. At the very least I'd hope my partner would help me. And that's an important issue here, partnerships in child rearing...

Of course! Elecroshock! Why didn't I think of that!

You, sire, are a genius!

We used covers on the sockets. Simple really. Never needed to hurt my child in order to protect her from that danger. Later on when she was older I got her to see a real demonstration what happens when 240 volts are shorted! Sparks, loud bangs, fire, death! The demonstration never needed to be repeated. It was highly effective and she learned having knowledge about a danger made it safer.

The real problem most of the time in these situations is the parent not the child. If you put your child in a situation where it's in danger you are responsible. You cannot berate a baby for being ignorant. Slapping to modify unwanted behaviour is an extremely lazy parental technique, just because it appears to work does not justify it.

The truth is that I was not brutalised. To call something that doesn't even leave a bruise, a half a dozen times throughout my childhood, 'brutalisation' is just so much hyperbole.

I've met people who's parents brutalised them. To compare the two insults both situations.