Where is the United States in all this Madness?

Put away your paranoia Magnum. He is asking you a valid question, it is just worded awkwardly. He wants to know how Israel is out of control.

Wow such an eloquent post. And you touched on all the major issues and clearly see the impetus of this conflict.

Well Believe me, as a prior member of the United States armed forces, I wish you didn't live here either.

Why don't you get your lazy ass in gear and get the fuck out of our country since you dislike it so much.

Briana Dawson

It WOULD be an over-reaction on Israels part if the Hezbollah atack was a one time offense. But they have been attacking the Israelis for years. Lebanon won't do anything about them, so Israel is finally attempting to do something about them.

Yes they did. By default for not stopping Hesbollah.

There is a huge differance between bank robbers and terrorists. That is a pretty stupid comparison. Now if there was a group of terrorists that that continually attacked Mexico from acrossed the US border, and we refused to take any action against them ourselves, then YES. Mexico would be completely justified in invading us to get rid of them.

If we refuse to reign them in then YES we deserve to be attacked.

You do realize that Israel can't do that, right? Nor has the UN made such a resolution? Because, well... pre-1947, they didn't exist. Resolution 181 *created* the Israel in 1947. They can't pull back any further than that. Thats the point I've been making.

As Briana and Devlin have responded: Abso-fuckin'-lutely. That is exactly what I'm saying.

Why should we? Why should the people of Israel leave?

Mmmm. Daily Kos. Certainly the most unbiased source of news imaginable.

I have no problem with Bush telling the UN to go fuck themselves.

You wanna know what those "cease fires" meant? Jack shit. It gave the nations involved a chance to rest and reload. You can't legislate away the conflict here. You just can't. And even if you could, the UN is in no position to do so.

It's the same logic used when the parent gets in trouble for crimes their out of control brat commits. Guilt by lack of responsibility.

I'm not proposing killing anyone or removing only one ethnicity. But sure, if you want to move the entire arab world away from Israel, that might work too. I just thought moving Israel would involve less logistical problems. Remember that we're not just talking about Palestine. Israel has a bunch of neighbors that really, really hate them.

LOL, I think you best learn to affirm interpretation before insulting my intellect . Let me clarify to prevent further sillyness.

Isreal is at war with the Hezbollah, not the people of Lebanon. Unfortunatly, Hezbollah has a control over Lebanon's goverment and yada yada... so Lebanon suffers consequences for Israel's reaction and Lebanon's weakness in controlling intragovernmental affairs.

BTW, I never said Hezbollah was its own independent country. LOL Silly Briana.

Hamas and Hezbollah have been associated hand-in-glove in their acts of terrorism against Israel for decades. Hezbollah is an Iranian- and Syrian-sponsored terrorist group that has been allowed to remain in Lebanon by the so-called "democratically elected govt" in defiance of Israel's requests to evict them. The govt of Lebanon, therefore, is party to the acts of Hezbollah in Israel. The citizens of Lebanon who elected their govt allow the enclaves of Hezbollah to remain in Lebanon. They are therefore NOT "innocent bystanders".

Sorry world, the US either gets bashed or downplayed whenever the country tries to do something good whether it succeeds or not, so from now on we've decided that we're just going to let the world solve it's own problems. We figure we bailed the world out of the last big war, and prevented the USSR from starting another one, so you should be able to take the next one yourselves.

So sorry, hope the fundamentalist-terror thing goes away for you guys.

By the way, speaking of things that are out of control, you might want to look into that Hamas/Hizbollah thing too. I'm sure you meant to mention that, but had it just slip your mind there.

Oww..

But by that same logic, you could argue that the victims of 9/11 were not innocent bystanders either...

I love you Surreal and I could not agree more. Nothing in the Middle East is ever as concrete as black or white. There are multiple shades and dimensions of gray. I've spent a lot of free time trying to understand the nature of the conflicts in the Middle East through reading lots of books and watching documentaries. All of which provide a diverse viewpoint in the the basis and background of such conflicts.

I recommend to anyone who does not understand the history of the Israel and Lebanon conflict to read From Beirut to Jerusalem by Thomas L. Friedman. He is a brilliant reporter and writer. He would have to be in order to make sense of such a muddled conflict.

Regards,
Jennyfur

For the people who claim Israel is deliberately attacking civilians, would you please point out on the map where the Hizbollah military installations are? Just email your map to the Israeli government please. Hizbollah uses civilian homes, businesses and transportation lines in its war. How should Israel respond? Should they allow rocket attacks on Israeli cities to continue with no response? It's been 6 years since the UN has called for Lebanon to disarm Hizbollah. They haven't been able to do so. And the UN hasn't done anything about it either. Should the Israelis just wring their hands and get on the train to Auschwitz?

And for the people who think George Bush should somehow force a cease fire, the USA has a lot of influence in Israel, but none with Hizbollah. So are you suggesting that Israel engage in a unilateral cease fire? Should we reserve tickets on that train to Auschwitz right now?

Because that's exactly what we're talking about. The extremists in the Arab world have already expelled the Jews from their homes in the rest of the Middle East and North Africa. Hundreds of thousands were forced to flee Iraq, Yemen, Egypt and other countries. Now Arab extremists want to destroy their only refuge left in that part of the world. The UN stood by and allowed the Arabs to engage in ethnic cleansing in the 1950's. Israel was one of the only countries in the world to accept those Jewish refugees. The President of Iran claims that Israel should be located in Europe or the Americas, because the Israelis are all of European descent. He says that while knowing full well that the very President of Israel was born in Iran.

Israel exists. Most of the Jews in Israel are the children and grandchildren of Middle Eastern and North African Jews who fled their homelands in one of the largest campaigns of ethnic cleansing in the world. Arab extremists still want to cleanse Israel of its Jews. And when they're done with the Jews they'll move on to other ethnic and religious groups. The Christians, the Druze, the Kurds and Turkomen.

Israel has a right to defend itself. Lebanon has the responsibility to police Lebanese militias controlled by a Lebanese political party. Both countries are suffering from the actions of a terrorist organization. My suggestion would be that Israel and Lebanon join forces to disarm Hizbollah. Of course, Lebanon would have to actually engage in official talks with Israel, something they have refused to do since the 1948 cease fire.

again, Magnum Serpentine = pwnd x many x many fold

time to catch up on the reading man xD

Absolutely. That's what that professor at the University of Colorado got in hot water for. He stated that the victims were cogs in the machine of US oppression just like civilians in Germany were during WWII.

It's a standard argument used to justify the killing of civilians on the opposite side of a conflict.

~Ulrika~

Well how about this for a point of view?:

"Yes, very funny...":

1) i can't afford it
2) i was fucking -BORN- here

blind? or just simply ghastly unempathetic?

i respect your service. but you will respect my citizenship.

Actually your wrong.. Isreal have the right to do anything they want for all eternity.. its every man women and non jewish childs fault in the world for what happened during WW2.. we must forever be in humble respect and pity for them, after all.. way more jewish people died during WW2 than other people put together..

I be dammed if I be called a f******* Antisemite for disagreeing with an over reaction.. Isreal seem to think there people are worth 5000 of everyone else.

(although one could be called anti semite for disagreeing with arabs too huh?)