Where is the United States in all this Madness?

Weakness and the use of tactics to avoid a MASSIVE number of civilian casualties aren't the same thing. Unfortunately, there're too many people who think otherwise.

I never advocated doing "nothing".

There is nothing else they can do. I see it as fight or die! They have no place left to run to. What do you want them to do? They gave peace a chance and the terrorists did not take it. If the terrorists want peace they have to stop fighting. It is that easy. Crossing the international recognized border and killing and capturing Israeli citizens started it. Letting them go and stopping the missile attacks will end it. It is that easy.

The fighting is larger than the terrorists. Syria and Iran are directly behind the terrorists and I wonder who is behind them.

The road to peace is being strong and not weak. If France was not weak in the 1930’s, I wonder how many people would of lived and not died in a war that did not have to happen. If Israel is not strong not it is going to lead to a worldwide conflict that will engulf us all.

Hizbollah is a part of the current government of Lebanon. Hamas is the ruling party of the Palestinian Authority. Hamas and Hizbollah have attacked Israel, taken Israeli soldiers captive. How should Israel respond?

The government of Lebanon has done nothing to reign in Hizbollah. They have abdicated control of southern Lebanon to the group.

The Palestinian Authority either has no control over its own ruling party, or has chosen not to exercise such control. Or, as is quite likely, is complicit in their actions. What should Israel do?

Both organizations use civilians as shields. In Lebanon Hizbollah has a long history of stationing its missiles next to schools and homes. Hizbollah uses Beirut Airport to bring in materiel from Iran. In Gaza and the West Bank Hamas uses residential areas as bases to attack Israel. What should Israel do?

In 2000 Israel withrew from its occupation of southern Lebanon. Since then no one has done anything about Hizbollah attacking across the border into Israel. Not the US, not the UN, not the EU, not the Arab League. Israel has withdrawn from Gaza. Now the Palestinian Authority has its first chance of really running its own territory. And what has happened? The same party that controls the Palestinian Authority is using Gaza as a base to attack Israel. Again, the US, the UN, the EU, the Arab League do nothing.

Just tell me what Israel should do.

They could come to this thread for some advice.

Israel must with-draw from Lebanon. They didn't attack Israel.

Israel must with-draw from Lebanon. Lebanon did not attack them. Now Israel may be about to force the democratically elected government there to fall.

Meh. Israel has long been out of control. So have we (the U.S.)!

Right now, we have two primary missions: Operation Grab the Remaining Oil and Operation Spread Christian Doctrine. I'd say the former is the biggest one, but the latter is strongly involved and always was.

Edit: My point is that anything we do or don't do will ultimately be to advance one of these two things, regardless of what our leaders tell us. Calling on the U.S. to "save the day" is beyond silly, honestly.

Get out of Lebanon and then pull back to their pre-1947 borders will be a good start, Also elect in a new government will help also.

No comment on the present unpleasantries in the middle east, but NHK is probably as useless a news source as you'll ever find. This isn't an attack against NHK specifically, but on all japanese news sources. The journalistic methods used essentially consists of paying rent for a desk within a government office, and as long as they print the official line, they get permission to carry on paying that rent.

Of course, it's not just government offices that rent out these journo desks. Other organisations with an axe to grind do so too.

I take Japanese newspapers about as seriously as I took my latin teacher's burblings about how Latin is essential in modern society.

Nah, I don't think so.

YOur opinion only.

At least my opinion doesn't call for the retraction of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181. Yours does.

By the way, it's not "my opinion only"... I'm reasonably certain that most of Israel agrees with me.

they'll make strong condemnation posts. :3

unmanned flying drones, Hezbolla is a threat that should've been dealt with decades ago.

Just as well as Hamas.

So if some criminals blew up a bank in Mexico, then crossed back into the United States, Mexico would be able to shell and rocket the town where the Criminals were staying

This is what you are saying.

The Lebanon Government has nothing to do with this. Thanks to Dictator George, Lebanon has no options, they did try a cease fire but dictator Boy George rejected it.

Well, for your information, Hezbolla and Hamas are the "military" wing of Lebanon and Palestine's governments.

so, it is an open act of war.

DEAL WITH IT!

Lebanon has a regular army,(not an army of Thugs.) and Hezbolla and Hamas is NOT that army

DEAL WITH IT

Yup, both armies that do strike and run operations, and latelly take soldiers kidnapped.

For God's sakes man, read a book other than Gorean stuff.


pwnd x2

"thugs" are not armed with missles, nor do they declare war, which Hezbollah did yesterday. If the rest of Lebanon doesn't want to suffer for the actions of Hezbollah, it is their job to reign them in, which they are not doing.

The democratically elected government there has Hezbollah as part of itself.

It's rather of like saying: The United States didn't attack, just California did, so leave us alone!




This is a prep operation to defanging *Iran*, to thoroughly degrade its ability to strike Israel before they come before the Security Council.

And it's minor vacuum cleaning compared to what is to come, if Iran doesn't change course.



Ayatollahs with nukes concern even Russia and China.

This is how the Russians deal with things: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Second_Chechen_War

Note the relative silence from that direction. If Lebanon today shocks you, go read that link. I dare ya.




A holocaust-denying Iran, sworn to Israel's destruction won't become a nuclear power.

It's really that simple.

Oh I know some gangs in Los Angeles declare war on the United States all the time. Why should I treat Hezbolla any different. And yes, some of the Gangs in Los Angeles are well armed.

The Bottom line is, a Criminal can declar anything he wants it will still get him no where


But the government of Lebanon did not declare war and so Israel must stop attacking Lebanon.

And what does this have to do with defending the right of Lebanon to exist?

Hezbolla is the dominant Shia party in Lebanon. Not a gang in LA. They are also much better armed than any gang in LA. If you can't see the differences, you're not trying.



No, they must not. Why do you think that? Do you think the only justification for military action is a formal declaration of war? So, by your logic, a country could continually attack another, and as long as they never declared war, the other country couldn't retaliate?

Do you realise how stupid that sounds?

I repeat:

Until Lebanon as a whole does something about Hezbolla, the entire country will suffer for their actions.

can we say stereotyping? how about the next time you have a thought, let it go!