Godless: A Thread About Ann Coulter's New Book
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Colette Meiji
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06-14-2006 07:22
There will always be the fringe elements on the far side of every political spectrum.
Coulter on the right i suppose could be seen as opposite Moore on the Left.
Its worth noting that the extremes on either side dont understand what a traitor actually is.
Though the right is more guilty of this Particular error in the current political climate.
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Ravenous Dingo
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06-14-2006 07:24
i cant believe people get worked up over ann coulter
she is so over the top, its obvious that she doesnt actually believe that stuff.
she is just getting rich from hard right wingers who actually believe her stuff.
she is snickering all teh way to the bank.
lolz @ peeps who take her seriously.
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Rasah Tigereye
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06-14-2006 07:46
From: Ravenous Dingo i cant believe people get worked up over ann coulter
she is so over the top, its obvious that she doesnt actually believe that stuff.
Eh, I don't know, some of the crazies out there are pretty convincing that they actually believe the stuff they say. Yeah, people like Fred Phelps, after you read his auto-biography, it's pretty obvious that they do it for publicity. But Ann? I lump her with Pat "I can lift 2000 pounds" Robertson. Then again, even Pat prophesizes god, truth, love, and honesty, while using his charities to smuggle stuff illegally out of Africa.
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06-14-2006 09:16
From: Rasah Tigereye Eh, I don't know, some of the crazies out there are pretty convincing that they actually believe the stuff they say. Yeah, people like Fred Phelps, after you read his auto-biography, it's pretty obvious that they do it for publicity. But Ann? I lump her with Pat "I can lift 2000 pounds" Robertson. Then again, even Pat prophesizes god, truth, love, and honesty, while using his charities to smuggle stuff illegally out of Africa. The more fanatics that emerge from the far right like Ann and Fred the more it will, (hopefully) push people to the middle. Same goes for the far left, Michael Moore. All of which are quite aware that the most effective lies contain an elements of truth. Rage on, pundits of insanity, rage on. Of course, arguing with extremists is more fun... moderates tend to revise their opinions too often to be good targets. -- Imagine how different the world would be if drag queens dominated the NRA?
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06-14-2006 09:18
From: Jopsy Pendragon Imagine how different the world would be if drag queens dominated the NRA? easy I am in the NRA 
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Jake Reitveld
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06-14-2006 09:52
Ann Coulter is an obscenity. She panders to Am3erican Ignorance and glorifies it. She is jessica Simpson with a law degree. Coutler has the tools to think and chooses not to. She dumps compassion, integrity and honor, for the sake of making a buck out of political profiteering. She is, like Michael Moore and GW Bush, an icon to the politics of looting.
Ann Coulter is a manifestation of a symptom of everything that is wrogn with american politics-she reduces it to a variety show. And of course, for all those of you who are forum grammar nannies-the woman struggles to write a coherent paragraph. I cannot beleive she survived law school-though it is clear to me why she is a politcal hack and profiteer, and not an attorney.
(Of course bad grammar in a forum post is meaningless-bad grammar in a book I am expected to pay for is criminal-coulter and her editors should be shot).
Anyone who looks at history and sees McCarthyism as anything other than a dark stain on American History is simply ignorant. And ignorance, unlike stupidity is a choice, and that is what makes it offensive.
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Sally Rosebud
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06-14-2006 11:34
From: Kiamat Dusk Are you trying to tell me that those weren't the funny quotes? A lot of those quotes are hyperbole for the sake of laughter. Yes, there is a basis in her own feelings there, but she takes it to an extreme to make a point and make it funny. John Stewart does this 5x a week. Oh, and to show just how incredibly oversensitive Liberals can be. "With their infernal racial set-asides, racial quotas, and race norming, liberals share many of the Klan's premises. The Klan sees the world in terms of race and ethnicity. So do liberals! Indeed, liberals and white supremacists are the only people left in America who are neurotically obsessed with race. Conservatives champion a color-blind society." False: I don't care what color, race, sex, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation you are, everybody should be treated equally. Um and weren't most klan members republican? From: someone -This is so true. Of course there will always be exceptions, but on the whole, this is true. We need affirmative action to help minorities because they can't get jobs on their own. We need welfare because the poor minorities can't get by on their own. We need bilingual education because the hispanics can't learn english. Oh, and don't get me started on the arguments after we invaded Iraq that "maybe the Iraqis just aren't ready for democracy." What!? Umm ok. I really don't know how I feel about affirmative action. The welfare system needs a major overhaul, requiring people to work! There are English as a second language classes. Immigrants who refuse to learn English really are limiting their chances of succeeding in this country. Where did you get that quote that "maybe the Iraqis just aren't ready for democracy." I'm thinking you pulled it out of your ass, but I could be wrong. From: someone "Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now." I love America you silly republican. It's true, I don't like abortion opponents, but only because they are limiting a woman's freedoms. I could care less what religion anybody is, just don't expect me to share your beliefs.
-You don't have to look very far into these forums to see the veracity of this statement, either. Look at how anyone who dares condemn abortion is treated. Look how many times people who stand up for our country are shouted down as "jingoists". Oh, and do a search and see how many hits you get for "xian".
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building."
-But Kendra gets away with calling for the President's execution with nary a peep from you.
The truth hurts, she's just twisting the knife.
[/i] Last I checked, Kendra hadn't assasinated any presidents, Timothy McVeigh did blow up a building.
From: someone You guys need to learn to lighten up. Sheesh-we're supposed to be the ones with the stick up our ass.
You are, you just can't feel it anymore it's been up there so long. 
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Sally Rosebud
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06-14-2006 11:34
From: Kiamat Dusk Are you trying to tell me that those weren't the funny quotes? A lot of those quotes are hyperbole for the sake of laughter. Yes, there is a basis in her own feelings there, but she takes it to an extreme to make a point and make it funny. John Stewart does this 5x a week. Oh, and to show just how incredibly oversensitive Liberals can be. "With their infernal racial set-asides, racial quotas, and race norming, liberals share many of the Klan's premises. The Klan sees the world in terms of race and ethnicity. So do liberals! Indeed, liberals and white supremacists are the only people left in America who are neurotically obsessed with race. Conservatives champion a color-blind society." False: I don't care what color, race, sex, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation you are, everybody should be treated equally. Um and weren't most klan members republican? From: someone -This is so true. Of course there will always be exceptions, but on the whole, this is true. We need affirmative action to help minorities because they can't get jobs on their own. We need welfare because the poor minorities can't get by on their own. We need bilingual education because the hispanics can't learn english. Oh, and don't get me started on the arguments after we invaded Iraq that "maybe the Iraqis just aren't ready for democracy." What!? Umm ok. I really don't know how I feel about affirmative action. The welfare system needs a major overhaul, requiring people to work! There are English as a second language classes. Immigrants who refuse to learn English really are limiting their chances of succeeding in this country. Where did you get that quote that "maybe the Iraqis just aren't ready for democracy." I'm thinking you pulled it out of your ass, but I could be wrong. From: someone "Liberals hate America, they hate flag-wavers, they hate abortion opponents, they hate all religions except Islam, post 9/11. Even Islamic terrorists don't hate America like liberals do. They don't have the energy. If they had that much energy, they'd have indoor plumbing by now." I love America you silly republican. It's true, I don't like abortion opponents, but only because they are limiting a woman's freedoms. I could care less what religion anybody is, just don't expect me to share your beliefs.
-You don't have to look very far into these forums to see the veracity of this statement, either. Look at how anyone who dares condemn abortion is treated. Look how many times people who stand up for our country are shouted down as "jingoists". Oh, and do a search and see how many hits you get for "xian".
"My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building."
-But Kendra gets away with calling for the President's execution with nary a peep from you.
The truth hurts, she's just twisting the knife.
[/i] Last I checked, Kendra hadn't assasinated any presidents, Timothy McVeigh did blow up a building.
From: someone You guys need to learn to lighten up. Sheesh-we're supposed to be the ones with the stick up our ass.
You are, you just can't feel it anymore it's been up there so long. 
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06-14-2006 11:40
From: Sally Rosebud False: I don't care what color, race, sex, religion, ethnicity, or sexual orientation you are, everybody should be treated equally. Um and weren't most klan members republican? no most were democrats actually, republicans have only recently won over the south
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Sally Rosebud
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06-14-2006 11:55
From: Billybob Goodliffe no most were democrats actually, republicans have only recently won over the south You are partially right. Apparently the first rendition of the klan was democrats, the second time around, mostly republican.
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Briana Dawson
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06-14-2006 12:52
From: Alazarin Mondrian It's people like Coulter that make me glad I'm not American... Woo hoo!! I'm glad you aren't American too! That is so cool we have something in common! Now why don't you go plant yourself in front of your Aljazeera video feed and watch some beheadings. Briana Dawson
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Rasah Tigereye
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06-14-2006 13:03
From: Sally Rosebud You are partially right. Apparently the first rendition of the klan was democrats, the second time around, mostly republican. More specifically, both democrats and republicans were kinda racisty, then couple of democrats stood up and said, "Hey, let's not be racist any more!" and people who didn't like that split off and became Dixiecrats. Those guys eventually merged into the republican party. Looking at the history of the two party systems in US, it seems the parties have been switching sides over and over. First dems were racist, now republicans are. Then more recently, Republicans were for fiscal responsibility, small government, and honor and integrity in government, now Democrats are. And the cycle will continue I'm sure.
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06-14-2006 13:05
From: Jake Reitveld Ann Coulter is an obscenity. She panders to Am3erican Ignorance and glorifies it. She is jessica Simpson with a law degree. Coutler has the tools to think and chooses not to. She dumps compassion, integrity and honor, for the sake of making a buck out of political profiteering. She is, like Michael Moore and GW Bush, an icon to the politics of looting. Slow your row there big fella. Ann doesn't pander to American ignoranc or any such nonsense. Ann is simply an idealogue, and the fact that all of you get your VS lace panties in a twist over her is boggling and useless. From: Jake Reitveld Ann Coulter is a manifestation of a symptom of everything that is wrogn with american politics-she reduces it to a variety show.
How is she a symptom of everything wrong with American politics? She is not a politician, she doesn't lobby any sort of legislation either. Maybe she is a symptom of whats wrong with idealogues, that would atleast make sense. From: Jake Reitveld (Of course bad grammar in a forum post is meaningless-bad grammar in a book I am expected to pay for is criminal-coulter and her editors should be shot).
Diggin hard aren't you? From: Jake Reitveld Anyone who looks at history and sees McCarthyism as anything other than a dark stain on American History is simply ignorant. And ignorance, unlike stupidity is a choice, and that is what makes it offensive.
And all this time I thought ignorance is temporary while stupidity is permanent...  Briana Dawson
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Crissaegrim Clutterbuck
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06-14-2006 13:26
From: Briana Dawson Ann is simply an idealogue.... Maybe she is a symptom of whats wrong with idealogues, that would at least make sense.... An idealogue, by definition, must have ideas and principles - and stick to them, somewhat. Coulter is no idealogue, she is an opportunistic rabble-rouser, a tool who filches a few simple concepts from others, lends these concepts emotion and violence, and then passes them off to the most intellectually-vulnerable parts of the American population. She's no thinker, she's no idealist, she reacts to promote her own self-serving ends. Her success is the measure of the bottom-end of American political culture - which is anti-ideological and anti-idealogue merely because the concept of an ideology is beyond them.
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06-14-2006 13:39
From: Crissaegrim Clutterbuck An idealogue, by definition, must have ideas and principles - and stick to them, somewhat. Coulter is no idealogue, she is an opportunistic rabble-rouser, a tool who filches a few simple concepts from others, lends these concepts emotion and violence, and then passes them off to the most intellectually-vulnerable parts of the American population. She's no thinker, she's no idealist, she reacts to promote her own self-serving ends. Her success is the measure of the bottom-end of American political culture - which is anti-ideological and anti-idealogue merely because the concept of an ideology is beyond them. Wait...are we talking about Ann Coulter or Jesse Jackson? -Kiamat Dusk
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06-14-2006 13:41
From: Rasah Tigereye More specifically, both democrats and republicans were kinda racisty, then couple of democrats stood up and said, "Hey, let's not be racist any more!" and people who didn't like that split off and became Dixiecrats. Those guys eventually merged into the republican party. Looking at the history of the two party systems in US, it seems the parties have been switching sides over and over. First dems were racist, now republicans are. Then more recently, Republicans were for fiscal responsibility, small government, and honor and integrity in government, now Democrats are. And the cycle will continue I'm sure. Dems are the only party with a former KKK Grand Wizard sitting in Congress whom they call "The soul of the Democratic party." ...just sayin'... -Kiamat Dusk
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06-14-2006 13:42
From: Briana Dawson Ann is simply an idealogue, You mean demagogue, not ideologue.
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06-14-2006 13:43
From: Kiamat Dusk Wait...are we talking about Ann Coulter or Jesse Jackson? -Kiamat Dusk Both, they work the same way.
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06-14-2006 13:43
From: Kiamat Dusk Wait...are we talking about Ann Coulter or Jesse Jackson? -Kiamat Dusk Could be both. But the way you're behaving in this thread? We're talking about you, too. 
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Rasah Tigereye
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06-14-2006 13:44
From: Kiamat Dusk Dems are the only party with a former KKK Grand Wizard sitting in Congress whom they call "The soul of the Democratic party."
...just sayin'...
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06-14-2006 13:47
From: Rasah Tigereye I would've been able to say something back, but Strom Thurmond died. So *THERE*! -Kiamat Dusk
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06-14-2006 14:12
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06-14-2006 16:57
From: Zuzu Fassbinder You mean demagogue, not ideologue. No, I meant ideAlogue. Briana Dawson
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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06-14-2006 17:46
From: Crissaegrim Clutterbuck An idealogue, by definition, must have ideas and principles - and stick to them, somewhat. Ah, it was a bit of trickery. I had assumed that Briana had made a typo and meant ide ologue, which is what you are talking about. However, in a followup post, she very specifically stated ide alogue, which is a person given to fanciful ideas. I'd say Ann Coulter fits that profile pretty well. Ann Coulter is also a demagogue, which you described well.
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Kiamat Dusk
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06-14-2006 17:48
From: Zuzu Fassbinder Ah, it was a bit of trickery. I had assumed that Briana had made a typo and meant ideologue, which is what you are talking about.
However, in a followup post, she very specifically stated idealogue, which is a person given to fanciful ideas. I'd say Ann Coulter fits that profile pretty well.
Ann Coulter is also a demagogue, which you described well. You forgot bona fide hottie. -Kiamat Dusk
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