Student expelled for being gay

Where are these flaming heterosexuals? Not in my town.

You bet there are. They're called "jocks" and they're offensive to many people.

Where are these flaming heterosexuals? Not in my town.

But, if they are flaunting it, and an old lady yells at them to "get a room", I see no reason to hold it against the old lady who is yelling at them.

Nobody has a right not to be offended. Not sure where you got that idea.

I'm against anyone "flaunting" their sexuality. Gay people being openly gay is not flaunting it, however.

you're kidding right?

The person is fighting school rules forcing her not to offend gay people. So if "Nobody has a right not to be offended" as you say, then the rules that refuse her the right to speak out concerning her moral beliefs are wrong and should be changed, as she wishes.

What should actually happen is she should see a shrink.

So what? Your personal experience makes your opinion "right" and mine wrong? I don't think so. And I don't say that you should or must share my opinion. I said I don't see that the school is doing anything wrong.

Liberal Tolerance is perhaps the primary challenge to certain "Christian worldviews" current in North American popular culture. Proponents of that viewpoint argue that it is intolerant and inconsistent with the principles of a free and open society for Christians (and others) to claim that their moral and religious perspective is correct and ought to be embraced by all citizens. Liberal tolerance is not what it appears to be, however. It is a partisan philosophical perspective with its own set of dogmas. It assumes, for instance, a relativistic view of moral and religious knowledge. This assumption has shaped the way many people think about issues such as homosexuality, abortion rights, and religious truth claims, leading them to believe that a liberally tolerant posture concerning these issues is the correct one and that it ought to be reflected in our laws and customs. But this posture is dogmatic, intolerant, and coercive, for it asserts that there is only one correct view on these issues, and if one does not comply with it, one will face public ridicule, demagogic tactics, and perhaps legal reprisals. Liberal Tolerance is neither liberal nor tolerant.

I happen to have acquaintances who do not share my worldviews. I tolerate theirs to the same extent they tolerate mine - that is, I don't try to convert them to mine and expect the same in return, especially on issues of religious beliefs. Not being enrolled at that school, I don't know the exact details of the school's religiosity or their student codes -- other than what was in the news report. Given the information in the news report alone, it sounds pretty clear that I "could be" comfortable sending my children there while certain posters in this thread would think that would be fostering intolerance.

On that, certain posters and I obviously differ.

Tolerance goes both ways.

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..................................Being opposed to intolerance is not intolerant. ..........

The person is fighting school rules forcing her not to offend gay people. So if "Nobody has a right not to be offended" as you say, then the rules that refuse her the right to speak out concerning her moral beliefs are wrong and should be changed, as she wishes.

I'm sure she feels the same about you, but that's not the issue.

's got nothing to do with "not offending" gay people. It's because all to often "speaking out against" gay people is only a hop, skip, and a jump away from intollerance against them, be it legal or physical.

I thought you said "Nobody has a right not to be offended". Do gays get a special right not to be offended because that offensiveness might lead to discrimination at some future date?

Again, it's not just about not being offended.

Your association of Christian with Conservative is troubling. There are Liberal Christians. The "Christian worldview" isn't a monolith ...(folowed by ranting).

Going to try approaching this a less direct way...

Kevn, answer this question:

What is the point in a Christian who has a problem with homosexuality speaking up about it?

.. to deny one access to an education due to personal characteristics, which are pretty much out of that person's control, is policy-driven discrimination.

I still feel that a school has a right to enforce its rules.

(High handed horsepucky)...How more cut and dry can this issue be?

And therein lies the major discomfort people like me have with your position. No one is denying anyone an education. The school has a position and rules to support that position. The student violated the rules. It's a private school. No one is preventing the kid from attending a different school. The kid himself wrote he's not happy at the Baptist school.... What's the real issue that you have here?

Limit your considerations to this specific situation and it's a pretty clear issue.

Generalize at your own peril...

Read post #67 again. Then feel free to ignore any more posts by me. I will certainly do the same when your name comes up since you don't really read mine anyway it seems.

: puts yet another troll on ignore

... its right to promote discrimination.

call me a "troll".