Student expelled for being gay

Ugh...

Sounds as if they nearly did him a favor...

Im intrigued that they have a theatre department and are expelling gays!

Exactly how many plays and musicals are left to perform when you leave out gay influence?

Ummm, don't ask, don't tell?

I guess they do an annual production of 12 Angry Men. That's it.

I'm thinking.. private school. Their rules.

What's the issue?

Tax dollars were given to the school.

"Gilgor noted that the 2006-08 state budget contains a $1 million scholarship program for pharmacy students at the University of the Cumberlands."

For a Christian university, that's a pretty un-Christian thing to do.

How does one promote homosexuality? I always wanted to know what that clause means.

I'm not surprised considering the school was Baptist-affiliated. While I think their action reflects badly on the Baptist's involved, I do wonder what the guy was expecting to happen. Homophobia is nothing new in that Christian sect. I don't think he should have stayed in the closet, but perhaps he should have eyeballed the sect's tenets and said... hmmm, a nice state college with sane people would be a better choice.

I have a thing against Kentucky (dont ask) and i live in the capital of hard core bible thumpin Baptist...

all i can say is wow what a shock (sarcasticly)

god apperently loves the bum who smelled like crack, fecies and urine yelling at me for 6 city blocks the other day, about how jesus saved him (ha) but not this gay kid...

wish i had god's phone number, probally would solve alot of confusion

Oh, don't get me started. For a year, I was banned from my children's "Christian" education program - no recitals, no events, no potlucks, nada. They cited the following passage as justification. (Note that they quietly rescinded the ban, but never apologized and still haven't sent me a letter confirming this...)

Just the other night, I attended their spring play, and OMG, the evil eyes were all over me. Den of self-righteous hypocrites, if you ask me.

How on earth does one promote homosexuality just by being gay?


9 I wrote to you in my letter not to associate with immoral men; 10 not at all meaning the immoral of this world, or the greedy and robbers, or idolaters, since then you would need to go out of the world. 11 But rather I wrote to you not to associate with any one who bears the name of brother if he is guilty of immorality or greed, or is an idolater, reviler, drunkard, or robber--not even to eat with such a one. 12 For what have I to do with judging outsiders? Is it not those inside the church whom you are to judge? 13 God judges those outside. "Drive out the wicked person from among you." -- 1 Corinthians 5:9-13 RSV

I guess the upside is that I get to be the wicked dude with a snappy fashion sense. Funny - They never did respond to my request that they kick out the drunks, idolaters and revilers.

Dude if they did that there would be noone to reply to your request!

It's interesting that the implication or direct offense taken by some in this thread is that "the educational institution" or those supportive of it's decision and action are painted by certain posters as the culprits here.

A quite defensible alternate interpretation of events, to me, would be to view this as an "enforcement of publicly stated policies" issue. But of course, that's not either a popular view here nor is it a PC one - being overridden, in some people's minds, by their own personal sense of morals and preferences and desire to impose those on other people even while publicly denying that desire.

Having a hard time following your veiled logic. So, what was it that you wanted to say?

Anyway, like Cumberland would kick out the badass Baptist ravers for having drunken orgies an any given weekend. This is unadulterated homophobia, and there is no point sugarcoating it. They should just have a "we don't want gay people" policy, because that's really what this is all about. Promoting schmoting.

Paolo, it took me a while to figure out how that policy you mentioned had anything to do with being gay... then I remembered that it's supposed to be immoral or something, while hurting people for being different is perfectly fine.

Sometimes I think that if Jesus had still been around when Paul was writing this stuff he'd have slapped him silly.

Apparently just being gay is flagrant endorsement of homosexuality.

Picabo, I find it interesting that you initially said that it wasn't okay if taxes were paid to the school - and then, once you found out it was, reversed and said that it was simple enforcement of policies - policies which are rather, ahem, counter to separation of church and state.

So, they got paid taxes. Still okay for them to use a religiously-based rule against students after you get money from the state? Or are you going to be consistant?

Personally, I don't think the school was right to kick him out but it appeared as if that was what he wanted anyway. Maybe he pushed the extra step to insure that he'd be kicked out. The thing I don't understand is, why do some people feel that it's necessary to let me know their sexual preference, whether at school or a ball game or what ever? I could care less. JMO

Um.. I think you have me confused with someone else. I don't see that I said anything about taxes... Perhaps I can't read? Of course. if you can show me a post #'d something other than 6 or 15 that I wrote in this thread...

Perhaps you actualy meant to direct that comment to the poster in #7?

No, wait... there's no reversal in that person's position either.

Now I'm confused.... thanks.

As for Paolo's comments... Read the article. They say that supporting or acting in certain ways is counter to THE SCHOOL's perspective. It doesn't take a genius to interpret what is in the article's reporting of school policy documents to figure out what their position is. Their school. Their rules. If a student doesn't agree with that, he/she shouldn't be in that school. Paying tuition and attending is pretty much prima facie "agreement" to abide by those rules and policies - in my book at least. I think it's one of the core things in tort law, as a matter of fact. No one forced the kid to go there and no one's saying he must change his views. He simply isn't welcome at that school as a function of violating "the contract". It's pretty simple.

Where does it say he was? He had a page on My Space where he talked about himself. It doesn't say anywhere that he was trolling school ball games shouting his gayness to the masses.

The school was wrong to kick him out but not JUST because he's now going to sue their asses. People can quote the bible all they want, but one thing that school administration is missing is a basic christian concept..... to teach, to enlighten others, to *drum role for the university leader's attentions* .... WITNESS!! There is a very basic christian belief that says as christians they are supposed to be examples to others and try to lead others to follow the bibles teachings as they interpret them to be. It is why some organizations knock on doors with little bitty bibles in hand and why some open the doors of their churches to the homeless.

This schools leaders turned their backs on one of their own christian concepts... they can't very well teach him and enlighten him if they've kicked him out the door.

As my daughter would say... "Doh!"

Idiots.

For the record, he's not missing much and he'll be happier in a place where he is accepted for who he is.... and now he can do it with their money.

That arguement only works if they've also kicked out and will continue to kick out ANYONE they suspect is engaging in premarital sex. Somehow I doubt they are.

Picabo, you're right, and I apologise.

I shouldn't post after.... ten PM.

Your doubts aren't my concern and are not pertinent to the news article's reporting.

Simple argument reiterated. Their school. Their rules. Don't like the rules - don't go there. Pay tuition and actually attend classes, you've implicitly agreed to the rules. Guess what? He violated the rules according to his own words in his MySpace posting. Again... their rules. They enforced them.

I wasn't referring to him specifically tho, the way it was presented, you may have taken it that way. Sorry for the confusion. And yes you are right, he probably will be happier somewhere where he is able to be himself.

As far as your comments on christian concepts, I agree with you. I am totally against organized religion myself...when I was younger, I had acquired a drug problem and went to the church my parents were members of and was told that they didn't want me in their congregation if I was on drugs. I haven't set foot in a church since then.