You get to be whatever you want to be. Jesus never forced anyone to follow Him, either through force or guilt.
Yay! Then I'd like to be Angelina Jolie, please! Without the fear of being cast into hell for all eternity for my sins.
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Kris Ritter
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11-07-2005 07:46
Yay! Then I'd like to be Angelina Jolie, please! Without the fear of being cast into hell for all eternity for my sins. |
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Billy Grace
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11-07-2005 07:57
I'll bet it taste like chicken... hehe  _____________________
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-07-2005 08:09
Yay! Then I'd like to be Angelina Jolie, please! Without the fear of being cast into hell for all eternity for my sins. Jesus certainly did espouse the Old Testament, which did include certain laws that God has set before us. He also detailed what would happen to those who chose not to follow Him. That does not force anyone to follow Him, but it also does not excuse those who don't. As far as being Angelina Jolie, that is something you will have to take up with her and a plastic surgeon (assuming you are not currently her).  |
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-07-2005 08:11
I'll bet it taste like chicken... hehe as a matter of fact  _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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11-07-2005 08:39
Jesus never forced anyone to follow Him, either through force or guilt. Oh, so that whole "accept me as your lord and savior or burn for eternity in a firey pit" thing was what then exactly? _____________________
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-07-2005 08:50
Oh, so that whole "accept me as your lord and savior or burn for eternity in a firey pit" thing was what then exactly? Well... Jesus certainly did espouse the Old Testament, which did include certain laws that God has set before us. He also detailed what would happen to those who chose not to follow Him. That does not force anyone to follow Him, but it also does not excuse those who don't. |
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Chip Midnight
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11-07-2005 08:52
The good cop/bad cop routine is still rule by threat.
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-07-2005 08:53
The good cop/bad cop routine is still rule by threat. We have a guy named Rocko in my neighborhood that does this is very thing outside the OTB. _____________________
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-07-2005 09:01
The good cop/bad cop routine is still rule by threat. Explaining the consequences of an action is NOT rule by threat. If your child is told not to cross a busy street because it is dangerous and they might get killed is NOT rule by threat. It certainly may be a warning, but it is NOT a threat. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-07-2005 09:10
Bad analogy Chip, try again... Explaining the consequences of an action is NOT rule by threat. If your child is told not to cross a busy street because it is dangerous and they might get killed is NOT rule by threat. It certainly may be a warning, but it is NOT a threat. Sure. But the warning of "hell and damnation" is more like telling your children not to cross the street or YOU will run them over. _____________________
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Chance Abattoir
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11-07-2005 09:16
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-07-2005 09:17
Sure. But the warning of "hell and damnation" is more like telling your children not to cross the street or YOU will run them over. To me, it is about actions and consequence. We are told what will happen, but we are also told that God is fair and just. God will choose who gets "hell and damnation", not me or anyone on this Earth. The real point is, God will let you do what you want, and will not force anyone to do things against their will. He will give you His facts, it is up to you whether you choose to believe or not. |
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Siobhan Taylor
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11-07-2005 09:17
Sure. But the warning of "hell and damnation" is more like telling your children not to cross the street or YOU will run them over. Well, they wouldn't do it twice if you did... and followed through.  _____________________
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-07-2005 09:17
LOL. Now that is great chance!
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-07-2005 09:23
I can see where you are coming from... To me, it is about actions and consequence. We are told what will happen, but we are also told that God is fair and just. God will choose who gets "hell and damnation", not me or anyone on this Earth. The real point is, God will let you do what you want, and will not force anyone to do things against their will. He will give you His facts, it is up to you whether you choose to believe or not. Yes. I believe the Mafia employs the same tactics. It's called a "protection racket" _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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11-07-2005 09:24
Bad analogy Chip, try again... Explaining the consequences of an action is NOT rule by threat. It is when those supposed consequences are an act of will by an intelligent being. It's a threat. "Do this or my father will torture you for eternity" is substantially different than "don't touch the stove or it will burn you." _____________________
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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11-07-2005 09:27
Yes. I believe the Mafia employs the same tactics. It's called a "protection racket" If you know the threat is hollow it does take the sting out of it. I don't think it excuses the attempt, though. _____________________
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-07-2005 09:27
Yes. I believe the Mafia employs the same tactics. It's called a "protection racket" |
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-07-2005 09:31
It is when those supposed consequences are an act of will by an intelligent being. It's a threat. "Do this or my father will torture you for eternity" is substantially different than "don't touch the stove or it will burn you." |
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-07-2005 09:33
Call it what you will. I did not make up the rules. But, I am pretty sure that the Mafia does not offer a free way to be protected; I don't think they will pay their own protection fees for anyone who believes and follows their dictates. Or am I wrong? Different currency is used. Mafia asks for money. Church asks for your soul. _____________________
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-07-2005 09:35
If you know the threat is hollow it does take the sting out of it. I don't think it excuses the attempt, though. |
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Kurgan Asturias
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11-07-2005 09:36
Different currency is used. Mafia asks for money. Church asks for your soul. |
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-07-2005 09:36
Payment is payment. exactly. _____________________
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Chip Midnight
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11-07-2005 09:38
Again, as I stated to Kendra, I did not make up the rules. Further, I can offer you no protection from these rules, but the One who sets the rules does. I will tell you what I believe, I am not forcing you to believe such. This very well be a place that you and I can simply agree to disagree Chip. Yep, we can agree to disagree. If god has the ability to judge and decide who gets the prize and who gets the fire, then he is exercising his will. If his will is to torture most (or even just some) of his "children" then he's not worthy of worship, and social services should take his children away.  _____________________
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Zuzu Fassbinder
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11-07-2005 09:48
Yep, we can agree to disagree. If god has the ability to judge and decide who gets the prize and who gets the fire, then he is exercising his will. If his will is to torture most (or even just some) of his "children" then he's not worthy of worship, and social services should take his children away. Whoa, so Jesus was sort of like those kids who's parent's convince them to become a suicide bomber and give up their life for the cause? _____________________
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