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Where do the dinosaurs fit into the Bible?

Janie Marlowe
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11-05-2005 22:30
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
This is in contradiction with the teachings of the church. It is interpreted as a literally seven days, if I'm not mistaken.

~Ulrika~


there might be truth to this, but He didn't create the sun until the 4th day. We measure days by the rising and setting of the sun. So really, its hard to interpret what a literal day during creation would have been prior to the 4th day. If that makes sense.

Genesis 1:24. And God said: Let the earth bring forth the living
creature in its kind, cattle and creeping things, and
beasts of the earth, according to their kinds. And it was
so done.

Someone once explained to me that "the beasts of the earth" were the dinosaurs, but eh, who knows really unless we could actually speak to God and ask.
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11-05-2005 22:44
From: Susie Boffin
Hey I never said one word against hillbillies or anyone else for that matter. Any defamation of character comes from within.
:D
Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-05-2005 22:47
From: Janie Marlowe
there might be truth to this, but He didn't create the sun until the 4th day. We measure days by the rising and setting of the sun. So really, its hard to interpret what a literal day during creation would have been prior to the 4th day.
The length of the day is actually defined by the rotational period of the Earth, so it would have to wait for the creation of the Earth to be defined. (How amusing! I'm correcting the science of creation. :D)

~Ulrika~
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11-05-2005 22:48
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Welcome to the forums.

~Ulrika~
I thought you had welcomed me a long time ago :)
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11-05-2005 22:49
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I'm kind of fibbing to be kind. I know a few folks who presuppose the existence of god in philosophical debates but they've never really identified themselves as creationists. :/

~Ulrika~
Well, thank you for your kindness :)
Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-05-2005 22:49
From: Kurgan Asturias
I thought you had welcomed me a long time ago :)
I'd just like to say that you're a great person to have a conversation with in the forums. I'll try to reply to you seriously more often when I have time.

~Ulrika~
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11-05-2005 22:55
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
The length of the day is actually defined by the rotational period of the Earth, so it would have to wait for the creation of the Earth to be defined. (How amusing! I'm correcting the science of creation. :D)

~Ulrika~
Sorry Ulrika, I have to quote some scripture here....

Genesis 1:1-5 (NKJV)
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. 2 The earth was without form, and void; and darkness was on the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God was hovering over the face of the waters.
3 Then God said,"Let there be light"; and there was light. 4 And God saw the light, that it was good; and God divided the light from the darkness. 5 God called the light Day, and the darkness He called Night. So the evening and the morning were the first day.

I think this states that He created the heavens and the Earth AND light on the first day... So, I think it covers both scenarios :)
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11-05-2005 23:01
I once asked a Born Again Christian friend how he explained dinosaurs. His answer was "God has experimented with making lots of different creatures. Along the way he's found ones he's liked and ones he hasn't. The ones that are alive now are the ones he wants now. God doesn't want dinosaurs anymore so they're all died out."

I responded simply, "Isn't that evolution?" He was speechless. I think that was one of the most meainingful conversations we ever had.
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11-05-2005 23:03
From: stevie Dingo
Christianity is for suckers. Everybody knows that! Jesus was a sleestack.

http://www.landofthelost.com/images/lilenik.jpg



:::sniff sniff::: Jesus aboma gosa!

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11-05-2005 23:05
My church teaches that the day's of creation are not literal. I am non-denominational Christian, and we do not deny that evolution exists to some extent, but not to the extent that evolutionists believe. We believe that individual species were created by God, and were created to evolve over time to adapt to the earth's changing ecosystem, rather than believing every species on the planet evolved from the same one celled organism. The day's of creation were probably more like thousands or millions of years, but the people of Moses' time probably couldn't comprehend numbers that big so it was written in a way that they could understand.
Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-05-2005 23:05
From: Kurgan Asturias
I think this states that He created the heavens and the Earth AND light on the first day... So, I think it covers both scenarios :)
Despite my initial apprehension, I admit that your quote was instructive. :)

~Ulrika~
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-05-2005 23:06
From: Kendra Bancroft
:::sniff sniff::: Jesus aboma gosa!
It's Chaka from Land of the Lost! Boy, that takes me back. :D

~Ulrika~
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Lianne Marten
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11-05-2005 23:07
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
It's not me, it's my über-religious relatives. They also believe that during communion the wafer and wine literally become the flesh and blood of christ as it slides down your throat. *shiver*

~Ulrika~



Sorry, I skipped a lot of this thread, but I had to reply to this one...



"This stuff is the blood of Christ? Wow, he must have been loaded 24/7."



Thank you. Now i'll go back to reading it :)
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-05-2005 23:08
From: Lianne Marten
"This stuff is the blood of Christ? Wow, he must have been loaded 24/7."
:D!
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11-05-2005 23:09
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
It's Chaka from Land of the Lost! Boy, that takes me back. :D

~Ulrika~



Here's an English>Pakuni dictionary!

http://members.aol.com/PyrateScum/pakuni.html
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11-05-2005 23:09
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I'd just like to say that you're a great person to have a conversation with in the forums. I'll try to reply to you seriously more often when I have time.

~Ulrika~
Ulrika, you really are scaring me now. While I certainly do like to jest at you at times, I also find some of your conversation quite stimulating (don't go there please), even those that are full of vitriol :)
Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-05-2005 23:13
From: Kendra Bancroft
Here's an English>Pakuni dictionary!
Ha ha ha! Oh boy. That made that last post of yours hysterical. :D

~Ulrika~
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Kendra Bancroft
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11-05-2005 23:19
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
Ha ha ha! Oh boy. That made that last post of yours hysterical. :D

~Ulrika~


My twin sister and I used to speak pakuni to each other as a goof. I actually had remembered "aboma gosa", though forgotten most else.
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Ulrika Zugzwang
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11-05-2005 23:23
From: Kendra Bancroft
My twin sister and I used to speak pakuni to each other as a goof. I actually had remembered "aboma gosa", though forgotten most else.
I never realized that they had their own language!

When I was a kid, watching that show, the Sleestack scared the bejeezus out of me with their slow walking and hissing. I also loved that room with the little chess table covered in crystals.

~Ulrika~
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11-05-2005 23:26
From: Ulrika Zugzwang
I never realized that they had their own language!

When I was a kid, watching that show, the Sleestack scared the bejeezus out of me with their slow walking and hissing. I also loved that room with the little chess table covered in crystals.

~Ulrika~


I was always a big fan of made up languages, and am semi fluent in Sindarin, as well as Nasdat.
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11-06-2005 02:43
Sure there are 'interpretations' of religious texts, but hey, there is a lot of *very* straightforward stuff in all of them.

What makes Kurgan's interpretation of it better or worse than say... mine?

It's a real, valid question. Even if we start from with the assumption of 100% truth, it's still a valid question.


Due to all of this creative interpreting, religion is just as much a moving target as current scientific theory.
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Malachi Petunia
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they don't fit at all
11-06-2005 03:07
According to my calculations dinosaurs could be around 35_000 litres and bibles are around 1 litre, so I think the correct question is: how many bibles are needed to fit a dinosaur? :p
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11-06-2005 03:10
Dinosaurs aren't addressed in the Bible because no one knew about them at the time. Although people from early civilizations may have found fossils without understanding the nature of their discoveries (hence dragon and griffin legends, etc.), it wasn't until the 1800's that the first dinosaur was scientifically categorized and described (Megalosaurus?).
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11-06-2005 04:49
From: Malachi Petunia
According to my calculations dinosaurs could be around 35_000 litres and bibles are around 1 litre, so I think the correct question is: how many bibles are needed to fit a dinosaur? :p

Parvicursor remotus was close to the size of a cat, and I belive there probably exists bibles that are large enough to cram a cat into and thus also a dinosaur.
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11-06-2005 05:55
http://www.clarifyingchristianity.com/dinos.shtml

"Actually, dinosaurs are mentioned in the Bible, and we will prove it by doing the following three things:

Examining the Bible’s text and the related scientific facts.
Explaining the accuracy of the Bible.
Exploring what we are taught in school and through the media.


The Bible’s Text
The Bible refers to many the common animals we know today. The list includes lions, wolves, bears, sheep, cattle and dogs along with various kinds of birds, rodents, reptiles, and insects. What is interesting is that this extensive list includes three animals that we no longer recognize. These three are (in the original Hebrew language) tanniyn, b@hemowth (yes, it’s spelled correctly—at least as close as we can get in Roman characters), and livyathan.

Although we alter the spelling of behemoth and Leviathan slightly, we still use those same words in bibles today. However, tanniyn is always translated into another word when we write it in English. Tanniyn occurs 28 times in the Bible and is normally translated “dragon.” It is also translated “serpent,” “sea monster,” “dinosaur,” “great creature,” and “reptile.” Behemoth and Leviathan are relatively specific creatures, perhaps each was a single kind of animal. Tanniyn is a more general term, and it can be thought of as the original version of the word “dinosaur.” The word “dinosaur” was originally coined in 1841, more than three thousand years after the Bible first referred to “Tanniyn.” To make things clearer, we constructed the following table comparing the scientific names with the Biblical names tanniyn, behemoth, and Leviathan.

How we got these new names is interesting. In 1822, Mary Ann Mantell became the first person to discover and correctly identify a strange bone as part of a large, unknown reptile. Her husband, Dr. Gideon Mantell, later named this creature an “Iguanodon.” From that time forward, these forgotten animals were given names chosen by the people who rediscovered them. Of course, the Bible, written between approximately 1450 BC and 95 AD, does not include any of these names.

Reading the Bible carefully, you will realize that no living creature matches the descriptions of behemoth and Leviathan. However, if you grab your kid’s dinosaur book, you will notice several possible matches for each one. Let’s examine those.

Behemoth has the following attributes according to Job 40:15-24


It “eats grass like an ox.”
It “moves his tail like a cedar.” (In Hebrew, this literally reads, “he lets hang his tail like a cedar.”)
Its “bones are like beams of bronze,
His ribs like bars of iron.”
“He is the first of the ways of God.”
“He lies under the lotus trees,
In a covert of reeds and marsh.”
Some bibles and study bibles will translate the word “behemoth” as “elephant” or “hippopotamus.” Others will put a note at the edge or bottom of the page, stating that behemoth was probably an elephant or a hippopotamus. Although an elephant or hippopotamus can eat grass (or lie in a covert of reeds and marsh), neither an elephant or a hippopotamus has a “tail like a cedar” (that is, a tail like a large, tapered tree trunk). In your kid’s dinosaur book you will find lots of animals that have “tails like a cedar.” "

There are many references to dinosaurs in the Bible if one studies the Bible rather than making fun of what one doesn't understand. Feel free to read the rest of it in the linked page. I posted the link up top.
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