Moderation rules question
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Cory Edo
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02-18-2006 09:09
From: Cocoanut Cookie Well that's a nasty little unnecessary comment. In fact, that's a snotty, bitchy, snide, and petty comment, not to mention inaccurate. Surreal, pay attention to forum history. When I came on the forums, this very individual was being talked to like this and ganged up on and I spoke out against it then, remember? It's not surprising that some of us hate the way some others of us act. I felt that way then - before I even had any idea of who Catherine Cotton was - and I said so then. And you have just done now the same thing those like you did then, when I first joined the forums: Decided to put down and bully anyone who spoke up against the miserable, uncivil treatment of others. Didn't work then; won't work now, so don't bother with the rerun. coco So you won't AR people when you think they've crossed the line, but you will call their comments bitchy, petty, snotty, and snide? What is this helping? And you interject yourself into one arguement (which was entirely off-topic to the post), but also respond to someone else's semi-trollish comment with bad attitude and temper? Neither of which you had anything to do with, one of which was Martin's instigation in the first place? Who is this helping? Seriously? From: Martin Magpie I have no interest what so ever fighting anyones battles for them.
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Surreal Farber
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02-18-2006 09:09
From: Cocoanut Cookie Well that's a nasty little unnecessary comment.
In fact, that's a snotty, bitchy, snide, and petty comment, not to mention inaccurate.
Surreal, pay attention to forum history. When I came on the forums, this very individual was being talked to like this and ganged up on and I spoke out against it then, remember?
It's not surprising that some of us hate the way some others of us act. I felt that way then - before I even had any idea of who Catherine Cotton was - and I said so then.
And you have just done now the same thing those like you did then, when I first joined the forums: Decided to put down and bully anyone who spoke up against the miserable, uncivil treatment of others.
Didn't work then; won't work now, so don't bother with the rerun. coco ROFLMAO With the documentable way you randomly go off on people while constantly preaching civil behavior, you have absolutely no room to to say anything on the subject. I've never been a hypocrite about the fact that I deal with people as I find them. If someone is a tard, at best I will be silent, but if someone is a loud, obnoxious tard, then sooner or later their going to hear about it. If someone's ideas are full of shit, and their delivery is so cyclic as to suggest that they are a committee, it's very likely a lot of people are going to be telling them to STFU. This is called socialization. I call it like I see it. I think Enabran and I have reached exactly the same place. We are sick and frelling tired of the same people pulling the same crap in thread after thread. Derailing threads for their own narcissitic problems. Stirring up shit so they can "stand up for the oppressed masses." And not even doing it well!! OH... and while we're on the subject of hypocrisy... You lambasted Enabran for referring to you as shrill (I rolled on the floor) and accused him of being a mysogenist. Just so you know, only women are bitchy, men are assertive... Get yourself a mirror oh Pot.
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Memir Quinn
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02-18-2006 09:10
This thread is still about Anshe and forum moderation right? It's not been co-opted yet has it? Oh good! Whew, was afraid someone might've tried hijacking the thread and and in turn making all about themselves. Boy-howdy, glad we don't have that sort around here.
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Surreal Farber
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02-18-2006 09:16
From: Memir Quinn This thread is still about Anshe and forum moderation right? It's not been co-opted yet has it? Oh good! Whew, was afraid someone might've tried hijacking the thread and and in turn making all about themselves. Boy-howdy, glad we don't have that sort around here. HAHAHAHA I don't know you, but I think I love you. That was the first laugh I've had since I logged into the forums this morning. Back to Anshe and the Wikipedia page. I understand why it was classified as a possible vanity page, but I still thought it was very cool that someone in SL made it in. I would be equally tickled if Nephalene Protaganist (sorry about the spelling Neph, I suck) had a page. I suspect that it would cause much less furor if it had been about Neph. I wonder if at sometime in the far future we will see an entry like.. "the virtual reality revolution which was built on the foundation of Second Life feature many prominant early-adopters who helped it become what we enjoy today. Among these, ....."
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Creami Cannoli
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02-18-2006 09:52
From: Cocoanut Cookie And why don't YOU quit whining.
coco Don't you have some foaming at the mouth over PG-related non important issues to be attending to? I swear you are so damn tiresome. I don't see what the huge deal with vanity pages is. Anshe is a large entity/figure in SL. So is Amie, among all the others. I am surprised that there isn't a Who's Who In SL page. But that would cause even more drama I suppose. It might be kind of neat to make a page of the well-known or 'behind the scenes but big contributers' people in SL with a list of accomplishments. ( but THAT could be taken as a conflict of interest in some cases *sigh*) I don't give a crap either way, but it might be neat to read at some point.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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02-18-2006 10:05
From: Creami Cannoli Don't you have some foaming at the mouth over PG-related non important issues to be attending to? I swear you are so damn tiresome.
So are you. coco
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Nolan Nash
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02-18-2006 10:15
Damn this remote!
I keep pushing the channel up and down buttons, and it just stays on the same damned channel!
I suppose I better just hit the power off button, because watching this same show, with the same two actors hogging the cameras is making me KER-A-ZEE!
Oh, and, I know you are, but what am I?
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MJ Hathor
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02-18-2006 10:42
From: Nolan Nash Damn this remote!
I keep pushing the channel up and down buttons, and it just stays on the same damned channel!
I suppose I better just hit the power off button, because watching this same show, with the same two actors hogging the cameras is making me KER-A-ZEE!
Oh, and, I know you are, but what am I? Its funny you say that because as I was reading this thread, my two daughters ages 12 and 4 were having the same argument irl that I was reading here in this thread. Can we please get an age check?!!
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Enabran Templar
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02-18-2006 10:50
Wow. Overnight service and everything. It goes without saying:
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Satchmo Prototype
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02-18-2006 11:21
In an attempt to bring this bad boy back on the topic of "Moderation rules". Does everyone agree that this thread should be closed at this point? It's derailed and contains personal attacks. Strictly following the TOS/CS definately means it should be closed, but will that result in 5 more threads and general outcry questioning why it was moved to Linden Review? Just looking for general opinions to see how the community feels threads SHOULD be moderated. If you assume moderation is here to stay, lets try to work together to understand exactly what it should mean.
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MJ Hathor
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02-18-2006 11:25
From: Satchmo Prototype In an attempt to bring this bad boy back on the topic of "Moderation rules". Does everyone agree that this thread should be closed at this point? It's derailed and contains personal attacks. Strictly following the TOS/CS definately means it should be closed, but will that result in 5 more threads and general outcry questioning why it was moved to Linden Review? Just looking for general opinions to see how the community feels threads SHOULD be moderated. If you assume moderation is here to stay, lets try to work together to understand exactly what it should mean. Not to flame, but you are the moderator and you need to do your job. Asking for advice on how to do it, isn't really a good way to gain the respect of the community. Although, I do feel at this point that nothing the ResMods say or do will ever satisfy the forum community. Just sayin. 
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Cristiano Midnight
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02-18-2006 11:29
From: Satchmo Prototype In an attempt to bring this bad boy back on the topic of "Moderation rules". Does everyone agree that this thread should be closed at this point? It's derailed and contains personal attacks. Strictly following the TOS/CS definately means it should be closed, but will that result in 5 more threads and general outcry questioning why it was moved to Linden Review? Just looking for general opinions to see how the community feels threads SHOULD be moderated. If you assume moderation is here to stay, lets try to work together to understand exactly what it should mean. I think closing a thread simply because it has gone off track is a bad idea, given the fact that we are not allowed to restart closed topics. Topics are closed way too often a few people go off track and get personal with each other. A moderator should guide the thread back on track, not just claim it is now worthless and lock it. A thread that is about inconsistency of moderation is especially important to not overmoderate.
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Weedy Herbst
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02-18-2006 11:36
From: Cristiano Midnight I think closing a thread simply because it has gone off track is a bad idea, given the fact that we are not allowed to restart closed topics. Topics are closed way too often a few people go off track and get personal with each other. A moderator should guide the thread back on track, not just claim it is now worthless and lock it. A thread that is about inconsistency of moderation is especially important to not overmoderate. I agree Chris, derailed threads should be allowed to stay open, but the derailers should get some time out. This is where LL and the ResMod system are failing us.
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Satchmo Prototype
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02-18-2006 11:36
From: Cristiano Midnight A moderator should guide the thread back on track, not just claim it is now worthless and lock it. I totally agree with this. From: MJ Hathor Asking for advice on how to do it, isn't really a good way to gain the respect of the community. Despite the chance of loosing the respect of my peers I am interested in how others feel too. I won't be a resmod again after this shift is up, but while I'm still here I'd like to steer it in a direction that makes the most sense. I'm not a die-hard, power trippy Resmod. Jeska asked me to be in the first group of resmods and I saw that as an oppurtunity to help them shape the program in a direction that works best for the community.
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Satchmo Prototype
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02-18-2006 11:37
From: Weedy Herbst I agree Chris, derailed threads should be allowed to stay open, but the derailers should get some time out. This is where LL and the ResMod system are failing us. When you say "time-out" do you mean temporary forum bans? Resmods have nothing to do with that.
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MJ Hathor
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02-18-2006 11:41
From: Satchmo Prototype Despite the chance of loosing the respect of my peers I am interested in how others feel too. I won't be a resmod again after this shift is up, but while I'm still here I'd like to steer it in a direction that makes the most sense. I'm not a die-hard, power trippy Resmod. Jeska asked me to be in the first group of resmods and I saw that as an oppurtunity to help them shape the program in a direction that works best for the community.
I applaud you for doing so, its more than what I could do or was willing to do. 
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Joy Honey
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02-18-2006 11:41
Is this the newest drama thread? 
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Lewis Nerd
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02-18-2006 11:44
Just so you all know how easy you have it here, on other forums I post on, moderator actions are not to be talked about at all on the forums.
That means no complaining when a thread is locked, and don't even ask why.
These forums should be much, much tighter. Then we'd get rid of a lot of the crap, and actually talk about important game related issues - the reason, after all, the forums exist.
Some of you here wouldn't last 5 minutes on some other forums I post on - because you'd break the rules, and get banned.
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Juro Kothari
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02-18-2006 11:46
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Weedy Herbst
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02-18-2006 11:47
From: Satchmo Prototype When you say "time-out" do you mean temporary forum bans? Resmods have nothing to do with that. Yes, I mean temporary forum ban. Unfortunately, the ResMods have no teeth. I have no issue with ResMods themselves, but it's kind of like sending in the PTA to act as bouncers for a rock concert. If and when a thread is derailed, the derailer walks away scott-free for uncivil behavior. A simple 2 or 3 hour ban would give them some time to think about the interruption.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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02-18-2006 11:47
From: Lewis Nerd Just so you all know how easy you have it here, on other forums I post on, moderator actions are not to be talked about at all on the forums.
That means no complaining when a thread is locked, and don't even ask why.
These forums should be much, much tighter. Then we'd get rid of a lot of the crap, and actually talk about important game related issues - the reason, after all, the forums exist.
Some of you here wouldn't last 5 minutes on some other forums I post on - because you'd break the rules, and get banned.
Lewis I would ask why you hang out on such draconian forums. I post on a number of forums and have never recieved so much as an edit to a post, much less even a warning.
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Enabran Templar
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02-18-2006 11:47
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Weedy Herbst
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02-18-2006 11:48
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Enabran Templar
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02-18-2006 12:01
From: Reitsuki Kojima I would ask why you hang out on such draconian forums. I post on a number of forums and have never recieved so much as an edit to a post, much less even a warning. Actually, I believe in this case "other forums" is a metaphor for life, while the strict moderators symbolize God. Obviously, we would not last five minutes for we are frail and given to sin, unworthy of God's blessings and deserving of the harsh, eternal judgment that the Lord shall inevitably visit upon us. Is it a little rough? Yeah it is. Though you have to admit "God is my moderator" makes a fun bumper sticker.
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Martin Magpie
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02-18-2006 12:11
From: Cory Edo So you won't AR people when you think they've crossed the line, but you will call their comments bitchy, petty, snotty, and snide? What is this helping? And you interject yourself into one arguement (which was entirely off-topic to the post), but also respond to someone else's semi-trollish comment with bad attitude and temper? Neither of which you had anything to do with, one of which was Martin's instigation in the first place? Who is this helping? Seriously? I don't think telling a poster that using the word "Jihad" to another poster was instigating anything. I thought it was out of line to say that "Jihad" to another person in any negative form. I said so. I still think it was wrong. Are there no lines that can be crossed in these forums. Is this just a free for all. No its not because there will always be ppl like me who question what tatics are used to win an arguement. The person who used the word was definatly trying to instigate something, imo. I'm not going to fight ppl's battles for them. But I think saying that to anyone was was over the line. Somethings are just plain wrong to say or do. SL or RL. Call it what ever you like, point fingers at me but I am not the one who made the original statement. Cast blame where it belongs. Cat
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