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Reitsuki Kojima
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01-27-2006 12:15
From: Martin Magpie Then lets view other Anshe quotes:
"Anshe **shakes head**
Having a bad day again are we? Seriously, why is it the only thing you have to say to Cris is harsh words when in reality in most of this thread he's been trying to show that YOUR SIM is not what it was portrayed by the orginal poster. Gah, stop being so ignorant and actually read and understand the post. Just step back and take a deep breath and re-read all of Cris's post in this thread. You have totally overreacted.
MJ"
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I have to read them both then decide if the signature was meant as a joke or not against Anshe. I feel given both quotes equal thought, and I don't think it's meant to be funny.
Cat You've a statement out of contest, and used it to justify considering a joke an attack. Sorry, but I don't agree. Remember, Anshe made the joke herself.
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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 12:18
From: Cristiano Midnight The first thing is a quote from MJ, not Anshe. The second is a quote from Anshe. You are comparing two different quotes. MJ did not say that about Anshe - Anshe said that about herself. In the quote you picked from MJ, MJ was telling Anshe to shut up and notice that I was about the only one defending her and she blasted me. It has nothing to do with a quote Anshe made months later. I have to take into consideration how the person who put the quote in their signature realy feels about Anshe. That opinion of Anshe makes me beleive it was not meant as a joke. I feel it was a way of poking fun at Anshe. I don't think that is right. Welp that sums up my opinion on this, I want to go do something other than SL today. I might take a look at the boards later, or I might just go build something purdy  Take Care  Cat |
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Cory Edo
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01-27-2006 12:19
From: Martin Magpie
I have to read them both then decide if the signature was meant as a joke or not against Anshe. I feel given both quotes equal thought, and I don't think it's meant to be funny.
Cat
If you find it funny or not, or feel it was/wasn't meant to be funny, its still something Anshe herself said. She's not being misquoted, nor are false words being attributed to her. Free game. And debating what someone's intentions were in terms of what was meant to be funny or not is a losing proposition. Is it nice (which is what I interpret this all to really be about)? Well, its nicer than a lot of things I've read from others regarding Anshe. And again, its her own words. Skewering someone with their own words might not be puppy-dogs-and-ice-cream-nice, but its more honest and honorable than telling someone to STFU or making wild accusations about the other party.
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Cristiano Midnight
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01-27-2006 12:24
From: Martin Magpie I have to take into consideration how the person who put the quote in their signature realy feels about Anshe. That opinion of Anshe makes me beleive it was not meant as a joke. I feel it was a way of poking fun at Anshe. I don't think that is right. Welp that sums up my opinion on this, I want to go do something other than SL today. I might take a look at the boards later, or I might just go build something purdy Take Care Cat I don't think you can establish someone's opinion of someone from one quote, but I understand what you are saying. Hell, Ulrika and I fought constantly in the forums and I adored the woman, and often quoted her. If you were to extract some of my quotes, like where I said Ulrika was cruel for sport, you would think I did not in fact like her and that my quoting her was mocking her, when in fact I simply pick quotes I find to be funny and found Ulrika to be often hilarious. To each their own. Take care.
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Enabran Templar
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01-27-2006 12:26
From: Cory Edo Is it nice (which is what I interpret this all to really be about)? Well, its nicer than a lot of things I've read from others regarding Anshe. And again, its her own words. Skewering someone with their own words might not be puppy-dogs-and-ice-cream-nice, but its more honest and honorable than telling someone to STFU or making wild accusations about the other party. It's also much nicer than telling someone "F your opinions," for example, so definitely could be much worse!
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Eboni Khan
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01-27-2006 12:29
I think the point that Catherine is trying to make is that Res Mods should try to stay above the fray. Which I agree with. (hell hath frozen over) Would it kill MJ to remove that signature for her 2 week reign? I doubt it. I have all images and signatures turned off so, I have no idea what her signature says, but I don't think res mods sould have signatures at all for the 2 weeks they working, if their identity is going to be public knowledge.
I really think it was an extremely bad idea to publish who the mods are. It should be anon. The Resident mods shouldn't be forced to defend every comment they have ever made in forums for the 2 weeks they are chosen. Keep the mods private and let them do whatever the task is assigned to them. The Lindens moderating them should be able to keep them fair and honest, if not, look for another forum, the internet is full of them.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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01-27-2006 12:37
By the way, Cybin, I've been meaning to say, I think you are doing a bang-up terrific job so far, in a very difficult and tricky and often thankless position. (For which there is not even any pay!!!)
I appreciate the efforts you have taken to put yourself on the line and try to help make this resmod thing go right.
I don't envy ANY of y'all's jobs, lol. You'll notice I didn't volunteer, and wouldn't have if I could have. In TSO same thing - I sucessfully resisted requests to be a mod. Not only is it a difficult job, caught between two worlds, as it were, the pay really sucks!
coco
P.S. And the mods for TSO could be anonymous! I agree with Eboni on this, and always have. The TSO mods didn't like being anonymous, most of them, so one day they all came out. (Most of them.) It seems to have worked okay for them for the most part, and they have been pretty much all of them "out" ever since, but I still don't think it is a good idea.
If I were a mod, I definitely would have never come out. They told me it was better, because they hated getting poison pen IM's from people they knew in world who were nice to them or even friends in world, who didn't realize they were sending a poison pen IM to someone they supposedly liked. The mods hated that feeling, and felt they got better treatment from the residents when the residents knew who it was they were talking to.
Still, I would rather have the occasional poison pen letter from a friend and be anonymous.
P.S. again: On the other hand, I've very pleased to know who the mods are here, for obvious reasons, particularly since they may hold my ability to play the game in their resident hands.
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Lecktor Hannibal
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01-27-2006 12:37
So is this thread turning into an 'imagined' reverse witch hunt?
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MJ Hathor
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01-27-2006 12:51
From: Martin Magpie Then lets view other Anshe quotes:
"Anshe **shakes head**
Having a bad day again are we? Seriously, why is it the only thing you have to say to Cris is harsh words when in reality in most of this thread he's been trying to show that YOUR SIM is not what it was portrayed by the orginal poster. Gah, stop being so ignorant and actually read and understand the post. Just step back and take a deep breath and re-read all of Cris's post in this thread. You have totally overreacted.
MJ"
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I have to read them both then decide if the signature was meant as a joke or not against Anshe. I feel given both quotes equal thought, and I don't think it's meant to be funny.
Cat
This post is also my response to you Cristiano. No need for me to repeat myself. If you read Anshe's Reply to that quote, then you would have known that there are no hard feelings between me and Anshe. There are many of times, I have defended Anshe and you will see that if you continue to research my past post. As far as my sig goes, It wouldn't kill me to remove but because I still find what Anshe said was funny (her joke), It stays unless of course, she lets me know that it offends her personally. MJ Edit: After discussing this with Jeska and out of respect for those that my sig offended, it is now being removed |
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Cristiano Midnight
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01-27-2006 12:53
From: Lecktor Hannibal So is this thread turning into an 'imagined' reverse witch hunt? Well it was titled consistency, and god knows many threads have consistently devolved into such a thing. One additional point - people refer to ResMods having an agenda with certain people, and that makes them unqualified. What about positive bias? The focus is on negative, but what if someone is friends with someone, will they be more likely to look the other way at the posts? As someone else said, we all have biases - every one of us, so being a professional is about rising above those biases and doing your job. There is not a single person on that list who I do not think is capable of rising above any differences they may have with someone in order to help moderate the forums. If anything, they are under far more scrutiny than ever before, an uneviable position to be in.
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Cybin Monde
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01-27-2006 13:02
CocoCo, thanks! i'll keep doing the best i can and i'll keep expecting everyone to help keep me, and all the other ResMods, in line. it may not be an easy job, but personally.. i'm really getting into it. granted, i'm usually the "moderator" in RL amongst my friends, so it makes sense. lol. also, i understand the conflict with having the identity of ResMods being made public knowledge. i can see where keeping them private might be a good idea, then again.. if they had been private, some people would probably speculate even more about FIC type of implications and some would cry out for those identities to be made public. in these forums, i believe being open about such things is probably for the best to avoid any undue suspicions. we're all about freedoms here and to me that includes freedom of information. i like having our identities made public, it offers a list of people in each round on which we can gauge overall performance and how well this program works. ok, i have to get going for now.. plus, my brain needs a break before i go into melt-down! lol (and i just have to say, i always appreciated the job that Jeska had to do.. but now? now i have a newfound appreciation for her job!!)
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01-27-2006 13:33
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Lash Xevious
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01-27-2006 13:34
Here is what I posted in the ResMod forums that relates directly to this topic: From: someone I think to try our best to avoid confusion, we need to be completely transparent in our actions as ResMods. If we stickied or moved a thread, we should post saying we did so and an explanation if the reason isn't obvious.
Right now, I see a mess of speculation on actions performed that I don't think any of us did! lol For me, I plan on making clear what I've done and/or haven't done during this stint. Transparency, tactful disclosure, honesty, however you want to call it, is a good way to go.
I'd base my judgment calls on what I think a new user would benefit from reading. What would give a good vibe in the forums. And what would simmer down a drama catalyst.
Consistency will be difficult to achieve since everyone interprets things differently. So if we're ever faced with a decision to make that might not please everyone, I think we should bring it up with the other Mods either in these forums or in PM. It's a new time in the forums ... I know it's hard to see it or believe it will go in a positive direction right now because we're at a standstill. Whatever tussles I had in these forums is water under the bridge. I don't have anything to gain from being a ResMod. This actually takes me away from my SL business, since I should be in Photoshop or in Build Mode than browsing the forums. But I'd like the forums be a true platform of discussion and debate, meeting/befriending folks you wouldn't otherwise encounter in-world, and finding opportunites to join projects with other residents. That's how it was for me when I first joined SL. I doubt this will be achieved in the time I'm a ResMod, but that's what I hope this whole experiment will bring. We haven't started yet. Work with us here?  |
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01-27-2006 13:47
um, can we talk about these mods now? pretty please.  http://www.motorphoto.co.uk/tonygregory/shobnall.jpg
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Cybin Monde
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01-27-2006 16:59
Why, it's... it's MOD-TACULAR!!!and even more-so now that.. *booming voice* WE HAVE OUR POWERS BACK.. MUA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAA!!!*ahem*
ok, just kidding.. well, we have our powers back and all, it's just.. i don't have any evil genius (or not-so-genius) plans or anything. just good ol' moderatin' of the good, non-evil-madman type.
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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 18:04
From: MJ Hathor If you read Anshe's Reply to that quote, then you would have known that there are no hard feelings between me and Anshe. There are many of times, I have defended Anshe and you will see that if you continue to research my past post. As far as my sig goes, It wouldn't kill me to remove but because I still find what Anshe said was funny (her joke), It stays unless of course, she lets me know that it offends her personally. MJ Edit: After discussing this with Jeska and out of respect for those that my sig offended, it is now being removed WTG MJ! I think thats fantastic and I applaud that you took this into your own hands and resolved it. I'm sorry if you took offense to this it wasn't meant to be a finger waging in just your direction. I was questioning the intergrity of all Res Mods. I have sence taken time to smell the roses and come back without a huge chip on my shoulder Best of luck I know this is a daunting task. Cat |
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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 18:09
From: Eboni Khan I think the point that Catherine is trying to make is that Res Mods should try to stay above the fray. Which I agree with. (hell hath frozen over) Would it kill MJ to remove that signature for her 2 week reign? I doubt it. I have all images and signatures turned off so, I have no idea what her signature says, but I don't think res mods sould have signatures at all for the 2 weeks they working, if their identity is going to be public knowledge.
I really think it was an extremely bad idea to publish who the mods are. It should be anon. The Resident mods shouldn't be forced to defend every comment they have ever made in forums for the 2 weeks they are chosen. Keep the mods private and let them do whatever the task is assigned to them. The Lindens moderating them should be able to keep them fair and honest, if not, look for another forum, the internet is full of them. Hey thanks Eboni I realy appreciate that you took the time to say you agreed with my view. I have been agreeing with your views today also. Funny how time changes us all I tend to agree with you and coco about the privacy mod issue. I'm not 100% on this but will ya take 99.9% Cat |
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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 18:15
From: Cory Edo If you find it funny or not, or feel it was/wasn't meant to be funny, its still something Anshe herself said. She's not being misquoted, nor are false words being attributed to her. Free game. And debating what someone's intentions were in terms of what was meant to be funny or not is a losing proposition.
Is it nice (which is what I interpret this all to really be about)? Well, its nicer than a lot of things I've read from others regarding Anshe. And again, its her own words. Skewering someone with their own words might not be puppy-dogs-and-ice-cream-nice, but its more honest and honorable than telling someone to STFU or making wild accusations about the other party. This has all been resolved now so kinda late for me to chime in. But I think eveyone did a beautiful job of expressing themselves and still getting their points across. Bravo to you too Cory I thnk you made an excellent point. Your right it was her own words. I missed this post I was out for most of the afternoon/evening. Upon returning I'm playing catch up here. Sorry I replied to the others before ya. Cat |
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Siggy Romulus
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01-27-2006 18:22
From: Cybin Monde Why, it's... it's MOD-TACULAR!!!and even more-so now that.. *booming voice* WE HAVE OUR POWERS BACK.. MUA-HA-HA-HA-HA-HAAAAA!!!*ahem*
ok, just kidding.. well, we have our powers back and all, it's just.. i don't have any evil genius (or not-so-genius) plans or anything. just good ol' moderatin' of the good, non-evil-madman type. Yah no shit - I just noticed the thread on doing free tech support for other ppls products vanished.... Doubleplus good! This joint is getting more like Minitruth by the second!
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Cybin Monde
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01-27-2006 19:50
Siggy, just to let you know.. that thread wasn't deleted.
one of the things we (ResMods) have been discussing is posting a reason we do something in the thread we do it.. but in this case it wasn't an option, since nobody can see it for now.
i think it's ok for me to mention this, one of the Resmods felt it was heading in a questionable direction and has submitted it for review. my thoughts are that it should be restored, possibly moved to Off Topic. but honestly, my opinion is that it should be restored to General with a note to keep the thread going in a more positive manner.
i'm guessing we'll find out what happens with it sometime tomorrow morning (SLT).
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Anshe Chung
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01-27-2006 19:57
Hi I am not expert in this, but I kinda feel that quoting people in signature seems fine if meet some criteria: 1. Quote is not taken out of context 2. Not quoting private conversation but things said in public and not later retracted 3. You let the person you quote know about it or asked her. I think forum IM is good method, so she is informed 4. You remove the quote again if the person you quote is not happy with it In the case you discussed here I was aware of the quote in the forum signature. I felt it was still recognizable as something not meant too seriously, so it wasn't issue for me. When you quote somebody it is really important to make sure people still understand what the original poster wanted to say
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Siggy Romulus
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01-27-2006 20:04
Theres *WAS* a quote in my signature line.
1. Its in context
2. Its here, from the forums
3. If they're boneheaded enough to say it, it's fair game for a quote.
4. See point 3. - too bad.
As for all the myriad of folks quoting the retarded things *I* say - QUOTE ON! there's many more to come!
Are rezzorators editing sig lines now that they find 'questionable'? lol - and folks though 'prim culling' was an infraction into expression!
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01-27-2006 20:06
From: Cybin Monde
i think it's ok for me to mention this, one of the Resmods felt it was heading in a questionable direction and has submitted it for review. my thoughts are that it should be restored, possibly moved to Off Topic. but honestly, my opinion is that it should be restored to General with a note to keep the thread going in a more positive manner.
i'm guessing we'll find out what happens with it sometime tomorrow morning (SLT).
Thanks Cybin - I agree - if something is going in a downward spin then folks should at least KNOW it's heading that way.. as for positive - I can't guarrantee that, the thread is based on a very NEGATIVE experience. As for 'off topic' well maybe they should change the description of what General is about - because it seems a lot of things that are observations about SL get moved around a lot. Ironic that this should come up in a thread called 'consistancy' Party on dude!
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01-27-2006 21:48
From: Cristiano Midnight I know that forum moderation is a thankless job, and a difficult task in any environment, especially one as diverse, passionate, and complicated as Second Life. A post by Cocoanut Koala in the Off Topic forum got me to thinking about the consistency of moderation, or lack thereof, and I have to say I agree with her. She started a thread today about not being able to rate threads any longer. Granted, arguably it could be said this is off topic - that forum discussion perhaps does not belong in general, though for the most part that is where it has always occured and remained. Her thread was subsequently moved, with a note from Jeska that "meta-discussions" belong in Off-Topic.
However, there are countless other threads exactly like it talking about the new resident moderator program, one asking about forum mods on Help Island, one discussing the way in which moderators were picked, one about necroposting, several more about moderators, and another about the star ratings being removed. Every single one of those threads falls under the same vague criteria for moving, yet they were left alone and only that single thread was moved. It is understandable why certain people feel singled out, or that others are given more leeway, when something as blatant as this occurs. While the answer may be "she hasn't gotten to the other threads yet", the lack of consistency is glaring, as some of those threads have been in general for a few days.
In the end, it doesn't matter ultimately where a thread is moved, I supposed, but singling out one person's thread for moving while leaving similar threads from others does give a bad impression. Perhaps this is what the ResMod program will help to address, though I am not sure how much consistency you will have with a different group of people every 2 weeks. I'm optimistic about its chances even as it already seems to have hit some snags, but this lack of consistency has nothing to do with that program - it has been going on for a very long time. One way or another, I hope it can be made clearer for all of us through example. It is hard to know where to post something sometimes - I don't think anyone would assume to post something about the forums in off topic. I guess I'm joining the fray on this one a little late... but sue me if you have to. I've thought about it and really I don't think I like resident moderators. Reason being, SL seems to be a culture of the privaleged (sp?). All of us are in the economic strata to blow our excess of income on amusing play things such as SL. Some of us have the luxury and time to give SL a significant portion of our attention and energy. This culture tends to lead to a "me first" attitude... and wherever privalege is expected, expect to find people asking, "why not me?" In the end, it's an egalitarian balance -- but it's all fake. It's kind of what turns me off about SL these days in the first place -- and now that we're giving these seemingly random people access to moderation over the rest of the community -- there is obviously a strong backlash from the not-so-privaleged people who expect to be privelaged asking, "why not me?"
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01-27-2006 22:32
I'm not sure I agree, Icon. Everybody has SOMETHING going on for themselves.
If you focus on ONE privilege, then sure, you will find people who are IN and who are NOT IN. But if you step back and look at ALL the privs and perks SL has to offer, from fame, money, RL job opportunities, friends, connections, positions of authority, etc etc etc. It evens out. People are getting different KINDS of perks based on their different levels of effort, gifts, and commitment.
I think I can safely name myself as a relevant example here. There is a prevalent perception of my forum posts that will likely ensure I will NEVER be a resmod (I would gladly debate this, but I suspect Jeska will have none of it.) OK. So that is a perk some others have, but I don't. But I have earned other kinds of rewards that I am happy with.
Other people are involved in other projects too! some landed profitable land deals, got a great DJ job, found their spouse online, ended up on television, etc etc etc. Taken individually, these people have exclusive access to unique opportunities. But step back and look at SL as a whole, and I see LOTS of opportunities for everybody.
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