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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 11:14
From: Reitsuki Kojima Yes, paranoid rantings about tracking users by "IPS addresses" and slandering a website is kinda insane. I've always thought so, at any rate. My point being the ppl on the Res Mod list already have informed opinions on certain residents. Harsh opinions, that will in fact sway their future decisions as Res Mods. Knowing some of the verbage used by some of those on that Res Mod list, = transparency. Cat
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Reitsuki Kojima
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01-27-2006 11:17
Prokofy is no longer a resident on the forums.
That aside, everyone has preformed opinions about everyone. Always will. Everyone.
That does not mean you can't do a job.
Professionalism is about putting aside those preformed opinions.
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Enabran Templar
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01-27-2006 11:25
From: Martin Magpie My point being the ppl on the Res Mod list already have informed opinions on certain residents. Harsh opinions, that will in fact sway their future decisions as Res Mods. Knowing some of the verbage used by some of those on that Res Mod list, = transparency.
Cat Hi, Cat, how come you don't post with your old account anymore? Just curious. 
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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 11:34
From: Reitsuki Kojima Prokofy is no longer a resident on the forums.
That aside, everyone has preformed opinions about everyone. Always will. Everyone.
That does not mean you can't do a job.
Professionalism is about putting aside those preformed opinions. No Prok is not a member, but Anshe is. GLBT Disappointment in Dreamland Not to be harsh myself or anything but these folks are residents, not hired professionals.To brush their previous comments and their previous opinions of other residents aside is a huge mistake imo. If this Res Mod system is to work, we should be allowed to openly question those now in charge of our being in SL or being banned. If I am not allowed to do so, please say so. Positive comment: I would welcome new LL Mod employees hired by LL with open arms 
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Selador Cellardoor
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01-27-2006 11:37
From: Enabran Templar Running from that voluminous post count, there, Cocoanut? I think you are turning into a stalker, Enabran. 
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Reitsuki Kojima
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01-27-2006 11:41
Nothing in that post is objectionable. From: Martin Magpie Not to be harsh myself or anything but these folks are residents, not hired professionals.To brush their previous comments and their previous opinions of other residents aside is a huge mistake imo. If this Res Mod system is to work, we should be allowed to openly question those now in charge of our being in SL or being banned.
If I am not allowed to do so, please say so. Sure you can say so! "INSANITY!" and "[I'll give them a chance] when hell freezes over!" are not exactly constructive forms of "questioning", however.
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Enabran Templar
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01-27-2006 11:42
From: Selador Cellardoor I think you are turning into a stalker, Enabran.  Nah, I'd need a blog for that, Selador, and someone else already beat me to it.
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MJ Hathor
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01-27-2006 11:44
From: Cocoanut Cookie P.S. Case in point - and not to pick on you specifically, MJ, but just to point out - if you are a resmod, and I just consulted the list and it appears you are, your first order of business should be to remove your forum signature, which has been sitting there a long time, quoting Anshe Chung. That is hardly a positive sort of thing, is it? What would you suggest? I have that quoted for humor. I didn't say it she did. It is common practice to quote someone in the sig and if Anshe finds that my quoting her is negative then I will be happy to remove it. I would also like to address the comments about ResMods having had conflicts on the forums in the past with other residents. For me personally, yes there are some that posters here that I disagree with 99 percent of the time. Normally, I will tell them when I do. However, given that I'm in this new position, I intend to take it seriously and will do what is expected of me and that is to try to keep to topic in a positive way. No matter who the post is from. MJ
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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 11:44
From: Reitsuki Kojima Nothing in that post is objectionable.
Sure you can say so!
"INSANITY!" and "[I'll give them a chance] when hell freezes over!" are not exactly constructive forms of "questioning", however. Oh so I can question but I cannot give opinion. Got it.
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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 11:45
From: MJ Hathor What would you suggest? I have that quoted for humor. I didn't say it she did. It is common practice to quote someone in the sig and if Anshe finds that my quoting her is negative then I will be happy to remove it.
I would also like to address the comments about ResMods having had conflicts on the forums in the past with other residents. For me personally, yes there are some that posters here that I disagree with 99 percent of the time. Normally, I will tell them when I do. However, given that I'm in this new position, I intend to take it seriously and will do what is expected of me and that is to try to keep to topic in a positive way. No matter who the post is from.
MJ I wish you all the best in your new position.
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Cybin Monde
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01-27-2006 11:46
From: Martin Magpie Not to be harsh myself or anything but these folks are residents, not hired professionals.To brush their previous comments and their previous opinions of other residents aside is a huge mistake imo. If this Res Mod system is to work, we should be allowed to openly question those now in charge of our being in SL or being banned. If I am not allowed to do so, please say so. Positive comment: I would welcome new LL Mod employees hired by LL with open arms  Martin, you do have a valid point. i wouldn't say their previous comments a re a reason to immediately discount their abilities to moderate, but i wouldn't blame anyone for keeping an eye out for any infringements by them either. then again, i would hope that eye falls upon ALL of the moderators anyway.. even those who may not have a sordid past of any kind. you are absolutely allowed to have an opinion.. and to express it as well. just don't let the past cloud your judgement of the present, that would basically be like acting the way you are being wary about in the first place. i'm not saying you would and i'm not only saying it to you either.. other people are reading this post and i expect them to hear the same advice and apply it to themselves as well. so, on this point, i mean EVERYbody. not just you. oh.. and as far as LL hiring new Mods.. i would be more than happy to fill that role, if i could fairly and effectively do so, but the point is.. i would have my arms open to employ from LL. wide open.  (hey, it's no secret i love SL and think highly of this world and its future.. lol)
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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 11:54
From: Cybin Monde Martin, you do have a valid point. i wouldn't say their previous comments a re a reason to immediately discount their abilities to moderate, but i wouldn't blame anyone for keeping an eye out for any infringements by them either. then again, i would hope that eye falls upon ALL of the moderators anyway.. even those who may not have a sordid past of any kind. you are absolutely allowed to have an opinion.. and to express it as well. just don't let the past cloud your judgement of the present, that would basically be like acting the way you are being wary about in the first place. i'm not saying you would and i'm not only saying it to you either.. other people are reading this post and i expect them to hear the same advice and apply it to themselves as well. so, on this point, i mean EVERYbody. not just you. oh.. and as far as LL hiring new Mods.. i would be more than happy to fill that role, if i could fairly and effectively do so, but the point is.. i would have my arms open to employ from LL. wide open.  (hey, it's no secret i love SL and think highly of this world and its future.. lol) Thanks The history of our lives, is what makes us who we are. I have tried in the past not to take things personaly, that failed myserably due to forum inconsistancy. Some ppl in these forums beat a dead horse for months on end. I'm leary of some of those who were insulting in the past to pass unbias judgement on my posts. HOWEVER I'm willing to see this move as a new oppertunity for open and meaningful discussion. I wish you good luck in your new position. Time will tell. Cat
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Cybin Monde
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01-27-2006 11:55
From: Martin Magpie Oh so I can question but I cannot give opinion. Got it. Martin, Reitsuki wasn't saying you cannot give an opinion. he was referring to your post where you said.. From: Martin Magpie If this Res Mod system is to work, we should be allowed to openly question those now in charge of our being in SL or being banned.
If I am not allowed to do so, please say so. in this context you have said "should be allowed to openly question" and then followed with "if i am not allowed to do so" in the following sentence. following strict semantics, this means you were referring directly back to your statement about being able to question someone. it was to this degree that Reitsuki was replying.. he did not make it clear whether he had a position on whether you were allowed to have an opinion, although i believe the quotes he used were simply stating that you had made statements instead of questions. please don't think i'm taking sides here, because i most definitely am not. i'm simply pointing out where the semantics of the English language can be interpreted different ways by different people and how those semantics function on a purely logical level.. and i'm a big fan of logic.  (please let me know if getting "huffy" today, i've found out that someone has been stealing money, checks and a credit card from my father and our bank account has gone from several hundred dollars to several cents in the matter of one day.. so, i'm sort of on edge)
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Reitsuki Kojima
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01-27-2006 11:56
From: Martin Magpie Oh so I can question but I cannot give opinion. Got it. Of course you can. One is pointless, the other isn't. I can't make you want to make useful statements, but it's generally considered a good thing to strive for.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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01-27-2006 11:58
I would suggest - which I did earlier - that you remove it, MJ.
Obviously, any humor intended by it escaped me entirely. It's likely, then, that it would escape others as well.
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Cory Edo
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01-27-2006 12:00
From: Cocoanut Cookie Obviously, any humor intended by it escaped me entirely. It's likely, then, that it would escape others as well. coco
Not necessarily.
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Cybin Monde
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01-27-2006 12:00
From: Martin Magpie Thanks ... HOWEVER I'm willing to see this move as a new oppertunity for open and meaningful discussion. I wish you good luck in your new position. Time will tell. Cat your welcome and thank you as well!  i will certainly try my best! and by the way, CocoCo (  ), i've always seen that quote as humorous. it's like a tongue-in-cheek type of humor that Anshe originally made and MJ found funny enough to use as a sig. i wouldn't get too worried about it.. best thing is to ask Anshe if she minds and go from there.
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Reitsuki Kojima
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01-27-2006 12:02
From: Cocoanut Cookie I would suggest - which I did earlier - that you remove it, MJ.
Obviously, any humor intended by it escaped me entirely. It's likely, then, that it would escape others as well.
coco Belive me when I say I don't mean this as an attack Coco, but your posting history has shown that you do not in fact take things the same way everyone else does in many instances. This instance alone, for example. The majority opinion expressed so far is that the statement is humorous, which is how I took it. You disagree. Your entitled to do that, certainly, but I don't think you can fairly say that your opinion represents what "others" would think.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 12:03
From: Cocoanut Cookie I would suggest - which I did earlier - that you remove it, MJ.
Obviously, any humor intended by it escaped me entirely. It's likely, then, that it would escape others as well.
coco I suggest it be removed also, as I feel it makes Anshe look bad. I find no humor in that. Cat
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Reitsuki Kojima
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01-27-2006 12:04
From: Martin Magpie I suggest it be removed also, as I feel it makes Anshe look bad. I find no humor in that.
Cat If Anshe said it, how does it make her look bad? I honestly think it's pretty funny. Lord knows I don't like Anshe, but there comes a time when all you can do is laugh at a situation, even if you don't like it. And I think that joke is very funny, particularly in that light.
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I am myself indifferent honest; but yet I could accuse me of such things that it were better my mother had not borne me: I am very proud, revengeful, ambitious, with more offenses at my beck than I have thoughts to put them in, imagination to give them shape, or time to act them in. What should such fellows as I do crawling between earth and heaven? We are arrant knaves, all; believe none of us.
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Cristiano Midnight
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01-27-2006 12:05
From: Cocoanut Cookie I would suggest - which I did earlier - that you remove it, MJ.
Obviously, any humor intended by it escaped me entirely. It's likely, then, that it would escape others as well.
coco In the quote, Anshe was joking that she did not yet control all of LL, implying at some point in the future LL would be a part of ANSHECHUNG.COM. MJ didn't add the (yet) - it was part of what Anshe said to be funny at the time.
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Cristiano Midnight
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01-27-2006 12:06
From: Martin Magpie I suggest it be removed also, as I feel it makes Anshe look bad. I find no humor in that.
Cat How does Anshe's own joke about herself make her look bad? It's not like taking a quote out of context and shortening it to alter the meaning. I'm not always the biggest fan of Anshe, but I found her saying that amusing - she was poking fun at her own stature.
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Martin Magpie
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01-27-2006 12:11
From: Reitsuki Kojima If Anshe said it, how does it make her look bad?
I honestly think it's pretty funny. Lord knows I don't like Anshe, but there comes a time when all you can do is laugh at a situation, even if you don't like it. And I think that joke is very funny, particularly in that light. Then lets view other Anshe quotes: "Anshe **shakes head** Having a bad day again are we? Seriously, why is it the only thing you have to say to Cris is harsh words when in reality in most of this thread he's been trying to show that YOUR SIM is not what it was portrayed by the orginal poster. Gah, stop being so ignorant and actually read and understand the post. Just step back and take a deep breath and re-read all of Cris's post in this thread. You have totally overreacted. MJ" ------- I have to read them both then decide if the signature was meant as a joke or not against Anshe. I feel given both quotes equal thought, and I don't think it's meant to be funny. Cat This post is also my response to you Cristiano. No need for me to repeat myself.
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Cristiano Midnight
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01-27-2006 12:14
From: Martin Magpie Then lets view other Anshe quotes:
"Anshe **shakes head**
Having a bad day again are we? Seriously, why is it the only thing you have to say to Cris is harsh words when in reality in most of this thread he's been trying to show that YOUR SIM is not what it was portrayed by the orginal poster. Gah, stop being so ignorant and actually read and understand the post. Just step back and take a deep breath and re-read all of Cris's post in this thread. You have totally overreacted.
MJ"
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I have to read them both then decide if the signature was meant as a joke or not against Anshe. I feel given both quotes equal thought, and I don't think it's meant to be funny.
Cat The first thing is a quote from MJ, not Anshe. The second is a quote from Anshe. You are comparing two different quotes. MJ did not say that about Anshe - Anshe said that about herself. In the quote you picked from MJ, MJ was telling Anshe to shut up and notice that I was about the only one defending her and she blasted me. It has nothing to do with a quote Anshe made months later.
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Enabran Templar
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01-27-2006 12:14
Man. This RedMod business is delivering more than I'd expected.
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