Overzealous Security and Rude Landowners

LL didn't say anything of the sort. I can turn damage on and blast you to my hearts delight. I can eject you from any height. THAT is what LL has said.

You have not shown that we cannot use eject to keep you off our land. Flyers don't want to give any ground? I'm taking mine back. No warning.

Feel free to buy it for me.

To an extent. At which point is it ok to fly? 800m? 1,000m? 10,000m? or are we to assume that Linden Lab ought to remove vehicles, and stop advertizing as a place to explore.

I'm sorry if this has been said already, but my problem with parcel security in SL is mainly the implementation. The main problem is that it's not possible to avoid the "secure" parcels. I usually can't see a parcel I'm not supposed to enter before it's too late. The red lines tend to pop up out of nowhere, and our avatars have momentum. The red lines also become visible only when you face them, so you can be flying next to one and not even know it. Because of the random way that objects are streamed to the client and the fact that objects are completely invisible before they've been loaded, you often can't even get a sense that a build is in your path. And of course when people use scripted security there aren't any red lines to see. On top of that, once you've hit a secure parcel, it's often difficult or impossible to tell where it is or where it extends to so you can get around it. It's totally common to be getting messages telling you can't enter a place but it's not even clear which direction to go to leave. And then there's the bizarre way in which you're ejected. You're flying along, you get a message, and next thing you know you're somewhere else, completely disoriented, so that it's really easy to wander right back into the parcel your're supposed to stay out of.

As much as I'm aggravated and inconvenienced by all the restricted parcels, I'm not going to blame the owners until Linden Lab seems to make an effort at designing a sensible system.

EDIT - probably not the best thread for this, but it was sort of on my mind, sorry

To the extent our prim limits are affected even by passing crafts. Where prims count against us, where we can eject, that is the extent we own.

Ahh so you are ok if I use an completely attachment based airplane. That doesnt count aginst your prim limits.

Works for me, as long as you do that and avoid my skybox. I narrowed its radius while turning warning off. Unless you are flying at 3 m/s youre good.

But in the other thread you stated that 6 seconds was too long. Kerian Bunin is going to find your security orb the hard way!
Torley Linden we need your help!

Didn't you buy your own island? Why dont you type there?

I type here like your security orb, becase I can laugh*giggle*laugh

So, why are ppl doing on other's land besides quickly moving on? And if they have a security system six seconds should be long enough to even cross the land, right? Alot of you seem to compare real life to second life. So you want ppl to respect your privacy, I believe that is all these people are wanting. Seems understandable to me.

Who's alt are you?

Your joking right? This is my only character.. I have no other... If another frigging person ask me I will hunt them down in game and shoot them.. (stare)

In the context that is meant, in this case the current "what is" pages and promotional bumph, there is no mention anywhere that unlimited exploration is an option, let alone a promised part of SL.

As such, unlimited exploration was never promised.



The question I asked is still awaiting an answer... what constitutes exploration? (hint... it isn't just flying)

I have done, several times. In fact, on one occasion, I suffered through a WHOLE WEEK of being STALKED by a griefer who was for some reason specifically obsessed with me.

And yes, I do what I can to fight griefers, but what can I really do aside from orbit them and AR them when they attack?

I've also been GRIEFED by these security devices, because that's what many of them are. Griefing. Tools.

Two wrongs don't make a right. It doesn't become okay to attack everyone indiscriminately with what is basically a giant invisible landmine that teleports you home with little or even no warning at all just because some people out there are griefers.

It is NOT OKAY. NO.

Edit: To clarify, I'm not saying that all security devices are griefing devices but rather that some of them and some applications of them definitely are. I'm saying, in other words, that a security device is exactly like a weapon because it IS a weapon, and that means that the owner does not, or should not, have a right to employ it indiscriminately.

You have my sympathy, suffering any form of griefing is upsetting.However, orbiting them is griefing... or is it different when you're just protecting yourself from griefers?According to who? You? Me? The general population?

Guns are griefing tools... but only when they are used for the purpose of griefing.
Security scripts are griefing tools... but only when used for griefing.
So, protecting your self from griefers is wrong, therefore griefing...? So what does that mean in regards to your orbiting griefers?

But it's not just griefers that the scripts keep out... some people want some form of privacy. Whether it's just so they can have peace and quiet while they create, a place where they and their friends can be undisturbed, or even a place that they consider sacrosanct and don't want anyone to enter... all they want is privacy.
People like that, which are the majority of script users, are very considerate of others and don't use TP Home, use long delays after the warnings, and make sure the protected area is as small as possible.

Are those users causing problems? No... but they keep getting lumped in with the ones that do...

On the other hand, when someone sneaks into my skybox and leaves a spybot, when someone, on multiple occasions, takes my sailboat for as long as they like and I only get it back when they sail it off the end of he world, I am going to severely limit access. Yes, the sailboat was on my property, and yes, it was locked... Yes, I have a notecard where I saved the words of the clown who left the bot, and no, I have not filed a TOS report. But that offender and his companion have been banned. People who have no respect for others deserve none from me.

True.

Speaking for myself, I don't think it's ever been a question of anybody's rights. I see it as a question of utterly obnoxious behavior towards people who come in peace.

I think I remember some mention of a device set to allow passage while the velocity remains above 3m/s. Again speaking for myself, I find that utterly civilized. I can't imagine anyone complaining or even muttering about it. It allows one of the most pleasant activities I've found: near-drifting around the world, seeing what others have done. (I have to near-drift if I want to see more than 64m or else anything but grey rectangles).

That was mine mentioned. No warning anymore but the radius is smaller, so its even possible a 3 m/s could get through now.

That is mighty nice of you..................

At 3 m/s it is impossible to avoid anything including your skybox! Perhaps the Lindens should just ban flying outside of private sims and be done with it. Every flight of mine ended in diaster. If the Lindens dont want to support it it should go away!

Have you still not figured out that you fly FASTER than 3 m/s WITHOUT ANY SCRIPTS?

You have given NO ground in this discussion. Until you do, your complaints about what I refuse to give have zero merit.

You have given no ground, none with your no warning alarm mode security orb. I have given up flying! Why because it is impossible to complete a flight. Part of the problem is with the nature of Second Life and the problem of crossing boundaries with vehicles and part of it is people that use no warning alarm mode security orbs. Even without security orbs the sky has become a "junkyard" of everything possible and it is sometimes very hard to avoid this crud.

What scripts? I bought a Viper from the Jet Girl and it includes no flight aids.

You have given up NOTHING and yet you want more. Perhaps you want to control the airspace over your neighbor’s property to keep people out of camera range next. Perhaps you already do by not making foreign land safe. Very hard to catch residents doing this with PvP disabled.

I have sold the last of my mainland property! Yeah good bye griefers, children and okama!

He means SL avatar normally moves faster than 3 m/sec even when you fly without any vehicle or item to augment your speed. Flying with any plane will move you faster than that.

At 3 m/sec it takes 85 seconds (nearly 1:30 min) to cross a single, 256 m wide sim. Just to give you the idea how slow it is.

BULLCRAP! 3M/s is as fast as you RUN! Unaided flight is 10M/s and it's very easy to avoid stuff at that speed.Why? Because you have a bee in your bonnet about flying?Then start looking to your system, your preferences, your speed... everything. I fly every damned day and I've not had anything like the trouble you keep on moaning about.

Heck, I'm starting to think that you don't have that trouble at all and you're just wildly exaggerating in an attempt to get security scripts banned. (to be honest, I'm no longer sure that you DO fly... the trouble you describe is so far from reality I'd be surprised if you'd done any flying in the last 6 months)
Again, BULLCRAP! I complete flights everyday...Even at 3M/s? For anyone who still hasn't got the point, 3M/s is how fast your avatar runs on the ground... unaided avatar flight is 10M/s. If someone finds it very hard to avoid stuff at that speed then they must have very very slow reactions or one of the crappest systems out there.

I run with all the graphics turned to FULL and I have no problems avoiding stuff at 3M/s, so why Ranma can't manage it at such a slow speed is one heck of a puzzle...And you don't even know what you're talking about here... one flying vehicle, WITH SCRIPTS TO MAKE YOU FLY FASTER AND HIGHER!

It's a flight aid... pure and simple. Please try to learn about this stuff...He gave up the no-warning setting, and you complained. He reduced the radius of the protected area, and you complained. He's as high up as he can possibly go to make sure he's out of your way... and you've complained.

Just who is giving up nothing and still wanting more here? YOU ARE RANMA!Like you want to control OUR land and airspace?

Oh, and stop with the insinuations... it's breaching CS... again.Cya then... that's one less problem for all us flyers to cope with.