Europe Getting the Short end of the stick?

Ah right, so the fact that the Soviet Union was responsoble for destruction of 805 of the Nazi war machine was't what saved our asses.


Actually i thought it was a collaborative effort between all the allies, my American comrade.

Did you not see the film? It was Tom Hanks that won WWII single handed...


or was it John Wayne?

/me throws it in the harbor, then over two centuries later, imports all of Hiro's popular TV shows and converts them into an American format.

/me stares at Enabran for exporting crappy sitcoms when we are perfectly competent at producing our own dross.

/me plans European invasion of SL and new TOS.

- All avatars must wear a bowler hat or beret at all times.
- SL will be closed at Euro-unfriendly times, just coz.
- Coffee will be banned, Americans to be forced to drink Tea.

???? John Wayne? The man that introduced ketschup and hamburgers in Europa?

And built by robots and computers and computer robots that repair themselves.

1 -- LINDEN LABS IS IN CALIFORNIA (SF area, I believe).

2 -- LL is a business, not a personal project. While some of their staff is around-the-clock (basically maintenance sysadmins, I suspect, after 5pm PST), most of their people work 6am-6pm (allowing for flextime workers).

3 -- The "chosen" time of 6-10/12 PST allows LL to begin updating the server software/hardware early enough that if they have problems, the staff can deal with it before 6pm PST.

You want it done on your schedule, start a competing "game" based in Europe. Otherwise, quit whining. I'm all the way across the continent from CA, and while I am not crazy about frequent updates, it is necessary. Residents keep demanding bug fixes and special features ASAP/STAT, and LL tries to comply -- and then the same people bitch because there are probs due to the speed with which the fixes/features were implemented.

You want this, Fred next door wants that, the bang-bang idiots want more scripting updates so they can blow each other to hell and gone in more fiendish and spectacular ways, and EVERYONE WANTS WHAT THEY WANT _RIGHT_ _NOW_. NOW SHUT THE F*CK UP AND LET LL DO THEIR DAMN JOB.

YOU LIVE ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE DAMN PLANET FROM LL -- DEAL WITH IT.

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Merlyn, not all of us in the UK are pissed off at the times of updates, we know how things work, and just get on with it.....
But from this thread you can see why the aussies coined the term "Wingeing Poms"
Thank goodness Im a Scot, and dont consider myself "Brittish"

"History" is just a bunch of you assholes murdering each other and building death camps every 20 years. The way you're dealing with your Muslim population--or rather, not dealing with them and hoping that being bigoted fucktards will get you through--you're setting yourselves up nicely for another go at it within a decade, two at most. I really hope we have the nerve to just stay out of it and let you all die this time.

Anyway, viewing the sites of past atrocities is so yesterday. What have you done for me TODAY?

A while back I worked out roughly how much of the information, media, food, and other things I like come from each region. It worked out as something like 50% North America, 25% Japan (and it's only that low because I'm just starting to learn Japanese, so I have to wait for translations), 15% Asia (mostly just Hong Kong, Taiwan, S.Korea, Thailand), 5% U.K., 3% Russia, less than 2% the rest of the planet, and very little of that from Europe.

There are exactly four reasons why I care that the entire continent exists: Italian espresso machines, German industrial music, Luc Besson, and Alejandro Jodorowsky.

*Agrees with all* - An Englishman who doesn't consider himself Brit either

What about: "Invented the web?" That's gotta be a good start. Think how difficult it would have been for you to make this xenophobic little rant without it!

Shep Korvin.

(never judge a nation by the obnoxiousness of its most prolific forum posters)

Eh, I know japan, and especially tokyo aren't the happy or weird places made out in animes (Tokyo hasn't been destroyed yet for starters). But eh, not like I have anyone to help me understand the culture than my good buddy Mr Anime.

I personally haven't seen any complaining, and wasn't planning on complaining, I just wanted to know what people thought and whether they felt that the fact one minority is getting booted once a week for maintenance was annoying, all I've seen is americans go "Crybaby" which shows thier level of maturity. (Sorry those of you who actually participated in discussion, just most seem to come off that way.)

Since when did this turn into a country bashing theatre?

I suggest that all Second Lifers move to the PST zone.

I would just like to remind everyone that wherever you are in the world, we should be able to have a thoughtful discussion about the topic at hand without attacking each other's cultures. It helps to share ideas better so we can understand one another better, as we're all here together in Second Life.

I am a Canadian who is a citizen of two other countries (I'll leave it to you to guess which ones). I also sleep hours that are more tied to Eastern Standard Tribe than any daylight cycle. Meaning, I am often up during non-North-American-friendly hours.

A "wingeing Pom"? You lost me, hon -- have no idea what that is... maybe a whining drama queen?

Pyrii Akula i hightly doubt its a time zone in your locations that are getting the short end. I too am on short end many times being on at JST ( japan time). I so use to those updates being part of my times i learned to just deal with it.

since there are narrow minded xenophobic endoctrined digot rednecks allowed to post in the forums

But we forgive them they live in a so young country ... they'll learn wisdom when they'll grow up ... in a few centuries


more seriously as I said many times weekly updates at this time of the day don't bother me much as I usually am at work during this time and arrive home just on time to download the new client lol.

so whatever timezone you are in the only real problem is your own time schedule ... so if it bothers you why don't you simply adapt ?

Because some people can`t understand SL is buildt around all of us and not just one person.

Gives me time for my weekly bath =P j/k

By the way your forum avatar picture is adorably cute, where's it from?

I'm afraid you are incorrect here;

(1) SL is not web-based. It runs across the Internet but not the world wide web.
(2) SL is not a game. Many use if for entertainment, and a lot of people use if for business and educational applications as well. It is a world / platform which contains games and can be used for entertainment.
(3) While international, SL's population is still over 80% United-States based. While I hope this changes over the next few years, considering that over 80% of SL's population and all of its technical staff are based in the United States, this release schedule makes perfect sense.

I wouldn't want LL's tech team doing upgrades when they're half asleep! And before you accuse me of being a blindly patriotic idiotic American, I'd like to point out I'm a card carrying member of the ACLU and a dual citizen, 50% US and 50% UK...and I've used SL while in Europe many times!

Regards,

-Flip

I understand the why and am glad to see well thought out posts like this. But yor 2nd point is both for and against, isn't it just making it difficult for trade people int he UK to not have access to thier growing (or failing) business for upto 6 hours?

Remember, I'm not complaining, just throwing out comments and ideas for discussion. I like the idea that some places in SL have started to get more World-centric, the New People area "The Shelter" has been pushing to hold events at more Europe freindly times due to the increasing number of european citizens coming in.

I'll admit you can't please everyone, but isn't it better to show you're at least trying? =P

It comes down to numbers, as I explained above. In addition, everyone is without access for up to six hours, not just the UK. While 7am thru noon = 3pm thru 8pm UK time, which would certainly be more of the UK's prime time, don't forget that those in the US also do not have access for those six hours.

My sim has always been a mix of Brits (Jai Nomad, Vicki Moonflower, Karma Satyr, to name a few), Americans (Chosen Few, HoseQueen, Wench), and mixes (me!) so we've had to deal with these issues for ages. We've often had "double dip" parties in the past where we'll do a first party on a Saturday around noon SLT, take a break, and do another around 5 SLT. We had the same issues with VERTU as well, but always tried to be Euro-friendly.

That said, LL is a business, and their employees are available and at their sharpest during regular business hours. That's the logical time for the update. With more and more RL companies beginning to rely on SL and use it as a platform, regularly scheduled weekly update windows are becoming necessary.

Regards,

-Flip

Ok, so I know I have come to this thread a little on the late side but personally I just found it rather amazing how many people find it so difficult to let someone air a comment on a matter of customer service provided by LL.

First of all, I come from the UK - although I havent actually been affected that much by updates - perhaps I am just not logged in at the wrong time. I have of course been affected by the grid attacks lately and this has been incredibally annoying - for everyone.

As to update times, we LL is a large company. Dont know the *physical* size of the actual building(s) or their staff numbers, but in terms of the service/product they provide its pretty immense. Their server racks contain a large number of servers and they provide a service that runs 24/7 (apart from the scheduled downtime) and as such should provide a reasonable level of service for all their paying customers.

The question remains: what is a reasonable level of server? Should people be employed to work through the night so that a proportion of its users are unaffected by these upgrades? Should LL choose their update methods based around the majority of users, or stagger them as has been suggested by some?

At the end of the day these are issues for LL to decide based on their business plan. Business plans always come down to the bottom line - cash in vs cash out: profit. Nothing wrong with that, its just how things work.

However there have been some comments here about technicians working through the night with some people saying that they should (or at least implying it) and others saying that its a ridiculous idea. I expect that LL "DO" have some people that work through the night. An organisation that runs that many servers that need to be kept running 24/7 more or less "HAS TO". Updates to servers very likely are NOT done manually on one server after another but will be "pushed out" to the servers. With so many servers to maintain it would be logistically impossible to run upgrades to the grid on a manual server by server basis. Of course this means that upgrades "could" - if things go smoothly - be performed by a very small team of people or possibly only one person etc. I can't comment on if this is the way they do it, only on the fact that it is possible.

So people working through the night - performing upgrades at "unsociable" hours is certainly possible. The comment that you cant expect people to come in to work in the middle of the night is a little nieve in my opinion. The fact that "YOU" wouldnt do it is not relevant. I wouldn't be a brain surgeon, but Im glad that some would. If you dont want to be working unsociable hours, you dont take a job that works unsociable hours - its that simple.

The original comment here was perfectly reasonable - could they do something to make it easier for people in Europe when it came time for upgrades? - sorry I know that isnt a direct quote - but I hope I have got your intent correct. Why are people jumping down this persons throat about this comment? Why all the "just deal with it?" Noone was saying that they couldnt "deal with it", just trying for some discussion on an adult level with people who report to be adults!

Why is it that people cannot reply reasonable to someone that raises a concern that they either disagree with or have no interest in? So its a subject that has come up before - and? I want a pay rise and better respect at my job by my employer..... A lot of people do. A subject that has come up before? You bet! Should people not bother trying to get that from their employer because it has come up before? Most people would not say so.

So it would be a refreshing change if people would just grow up a little - or go and play on the teen grid where people are the age people here are acting!

Of course I expect to get flamed here by the people who like to be abusive - thats their problem I dont really care. Possibly I should have left well enough alone and not sent this pointless post but every now and again I find people's unreasonableness just enough to make me put pen to paper - in this case fingers to keyboard.