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Usagi Musashi
UM ™®
Join date: 24 Oct 2004
Posts: 6,083
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04-17-2006 20:29
Non PG content......job content. But if there is a pull for it maybe it can be.Lets hope
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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04-17-2006 21:16
It's clear that Magnum is a very deep economic thinker. Take this post, for example. I think that really says it all, right there. Clearly this is a very deft mind with compelling points to make both economically and strategically. The grasp of practical reality, supply and demand, action and consequence, it's all right there. If you really want to tangle with Magnum, keep in mind the sharpness of his incisive wit. When computers fix themselves and robots make and do everything, I am thinking all humans should just run into the ocean like lemmings and drown themselves. Let the machines inherit what is obviously and rightfully theirs! It's either that or we will all die by age 20 of heart disease and/or morbid obesity. I can just see it now... "Not tonight honey, I have a headache!" "Ok love, I'll just have Irona service me tonight, sweet dreams!" SEXAY!  _____________________
“Time's fun when you're having flies.” ~Kermit
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Martin Magpie
Catherine Cotton
Join date: 13 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,826
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04-17-2006 22:46
I believe Lindens time would be better spent if they concentrated on fixing the bugs of this game instead of killing dwell and such. Besides killing dwell only helps a few dozen people and not everyone will benefit. I agree with you  _____________________
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crucial Armitage
Clothing Designer
Join date: 30 Aug 2004
Posts: 838
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04-17-2006 23:12
Where do you get your number "a few dozen"? Dwell is an on/off switch. My suspision is it takes more time for Phil to scratch his arse, belch, and say "Make it so" than it does for Andrew or someone to flip the switch. ah nothing like a good arse scratching in the morning but seriously i have a hard time under standing the whole dwell thing any way was it really that much money for people. maybe cause all the land i have that gets dwell payments is grouped it never amounts to much to me. _____________________
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Cocoanut Koala
Coco's Cottages
Join date: 7 Feb 2005
Posts: 7,903
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04-17-2006 23:45
This is the case - you won't be able to instantly put on entertainment and rely on donations for that - most certainly.. Just I am totally unable in RL to make a huge investment to build a waterpark and maintain it - so it comes down to thinking outside the box. One of the good things is that no matter how good you are - no man is an island in and of himself.. Even if you have all the skills yourself, you probably won't have the time to be a one man band. I know this from first hand experience - I can build/script/texture/animate/ and run a successfull SL radio show - but I can't do them all all the time. If I manage to re-locate waterworks I will certainly want some entertainment and events running there - traffic still has a use, to push a place up the find list and popular places. One thing I've discovered from running 'mini waterworks' is that if there is one or two green dots - ten will congregate - no green dots begets no green dots.. people have a curiosity to go see what others are doing. Entertainment means people come - people stay and enjoy - that translates into sales that maintain what I'm doing. So adding Entertainment to my list of things to pay for seems a logical thing to do. People will be hired/contracted/whatever. People have to start reaching out for others that cover thier weak points - different skills will plug together like a big ass tinker toy, and I think the folks that grasp and embrace this will be very successful in the next phase of Second Life. Content is not just building/scripting/animating/texturing - these skills alone won't create anything totally compelling. Entertainment, ambience, feeling - these are all also content and must be created by those with the skillsets to do them, and it will only take a few to grasp this concept and run with it before it changes everything. Personally I'm hoping to put myself at the crest of that new wave - again - I'll have to see how that works out. OK, so from what you are saying, I could put together a plan like this: Let's say I have no land. I could find places - like yours - and ask if they would like to have me present my entertainment there. You wouldn't be wanting me to for purposes of traffic, but because you have a big enough place - where you DO sell other things - and it would be worth it for you to pay me to present that entertainment, in order to create a well-rounded and interesting place, which is good in and of itself, and will also create more sales for you. Am I understanding that right? So one market might be entertainers would find large places that would pay them to present their entertainment there. coco _____________________
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Persephone Phoenix
loving laptopvideo2go.com
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,012
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04-18-2006 03:30
LMFAO o my... ok well add me to the count... LL Should not pay us to play SL, period. I DO however think they should provide more entertaining events and such instead of relying soley on the customers... wouldn't this be GOMing the events producers? and a lot more expensive than paying event producers who were working, previously, for the equivalent of $1 usd/hour rather than, well, whatever Lindens make. _____________________
Events are everyone's business.
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Persephone Phoenix
loving laptopvideo2go.com
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
Posts: 1,012
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04-18-2006 03:35
Am I understanding that right? So one market might be entertainers would find large places that would pay them to present their entertainment there. coco If the entertainment is cheap enough, maybe. the issue is that most sales don't come from eventsgoers. Most sales come from people who look places up in find. businesses give to events right now to keep the OVERALL world interesting. businesses will need a big picture approach to be willing to do much of this kind of sponsorship or to pay what it is worth. _____________________
Events are everyone's business.
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Siggy Romulus
DILLIGAF
Join date: 22 Sep 2003
Posts: 5,711
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04-18-2006 03:43
Am I understanding that right? So one market might be entertainers would find large places that would pay them to present their entertainment there. coco There is that , I'm thinking the other way around - I as the person with the place that could do with some promoting (if I'm clever) will come to YOU the entertainer/instructor and hire you to hold an even at my place. I pay a decent wage for it and I have a pretty much guarranteed person who'll do a good job too. To add in Persephones observations - events bring traffic - traffic increases you position in find, even though it has been my observation hosting events at my place increases sales. For the event goer the entertainment is free - I (the owner) pay to put it on, I pay a decent wage and I expect a decent quality - be it a live radio broadcast, a class, or a contest. Event goers also see what you have to offer and come back later - or better yet tell their friends. I beleive that a clever biz person will latch onto some folks that run events and entertainment and try and work that into thier biz. I'm certainly going to be trying to do that over the next few months. Folks can tell me it wont work or that I'm crazy but thats ok - I've been told that many times in the past.... and there's always enough crow to go round  _____________________
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Ice Brodie
Head of Neo Mobius
Join date: 28 May 2004
Posts: 434
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04-18-2006 03:51
I know a few who hold promo events on new releases, Siggy, it works real well, last event we had was just word of mouth for combined furry avatar and birthday party for the creator and we had the sim packed at 40 people.
The new avatar then jumped to number 3 in the all time sales for avatars by our studio. We gave out avatars, rather than cash, and the party rocked in gneeral. Even the downtime that night did not ruin the event, it was still there for fun and the event drove sales through the roof through word of mouth advertising. Our event host was paid for DJ services our event manager was paid for his, and I get paid for general management. 1 creator... but wow, 4 people making money... not bad o.O _____________________
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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04-18-2006 04:20
Ohhh man, my resolve is being firmly tested by all these Magnum threads today.
I shall continue to resist, however. Hopefully. _____________________
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Burnman Bedlam
Business Person
Join date: 28 Jan 2006
Posts: 1,080
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04-18-2006 05:54
There are 2 primary types of people that want dwell to remain.
1) People who rely on campers to increase their land's popularity thus getting their locations higher up the "Find Places" and "Popular Places" lists, rather then providing quality content to attract visitors. 2) Campers. I don't see value to the SL community in either one. Popularity should be based on quality of content... and well... popularity. Not paying someone to be afk, taking up room in a sim, and adding to the drain on server resources. Imagine how much smoother so many sims would run without the scripts in camping chairs running their timers, and the avatars sitting in them... many of which wear scripted attachments... also a drain on server resources. Without the campers, or the chairs, people who aren't actually at their keyboard while they are at work, may very well not be online with an anti-idler. _____________________
Burnman Bedlam
http://theburnman.com Not happy about Linden Labs purchase of XStreet (formerly SLX) and OnRez. Will this mean LL will ban resident run online shoping outlets in favor of their own? |
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FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
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04-18-2006 08:13
Ohhh man, my resolve is being firmly tested by all these Magnum threads today. I shall continue to resist, however. Hopefully. I was good, until now...c'mon Moopf, you know you want to talk logic to a brick wall! When Magnum said, "before the Linden had value", I lost it. MAGNUM, THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF CURRENCY IS TO ESTABLISH VALUE! The L$ has *always* had value, PERIOD. That's the entire purpose of the L$. Regards, -Flip _____________________
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Enabran Templar
Capitalist Pig
Join date: 26 Aug 2004
Posts: 4,506
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04-18-2006 08:15
There's no sense trying to go through ten feet of concrete.
But as long as it's there, it might be fun to decorate it with those cans of paint the kids are using these days. _____________________
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FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
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04-18-2006 08:16
There's no sense trying to go through ten feet of concrete. But as long as it's there, it might be fun to decorate it with those cans of paint the kids are using these days. zOMG ROBOTS _____________________
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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04-18-2006 08:18
I was good, until now...c'mon Moopf, you know you want to talk logic to a brick wall! When Magnum said, "before the Linden had value", I lost it. MAGNUM, THE ENTIRE PURPOSE OF CURRENCY IS TO ESTABLISH VALUE! The L$ has *always* had value, PERIOD. That's the entire purpose of the L$. Regards, -Flip hehe, I got diverted by making up new lyrics for "America, Fuck Yeah" in response to Cathertin Magotton's (now, that has a certain ring to it!) rantin' and a ravin' on another thead. Urge to respond to Magnum falling further.... ...it could still rise, but it would take a super-human effort even by Magnum's standards _____________________
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Patrick Playfair
Registered User
Join date: 19 Jul 2004
Posts: 328
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04-18-2006 08:27
No they are not. its a clear fact that most don't care about the economy and only come here to have fun. From what I have seen only a few dozen if that care at all. The people in the forums are hardly a fair representation of the SL population. _____________________
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FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
Posts: 3,703
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04-18-2006 08:27
hehe, I got diverted by making up new lyrics for "America, Fuck Yeah" in response to Cathertin Magotton's (now, that has a certain ring to it!) rantin' and a ravin' on another thead. Urge to respond to Magnum falling further.... ...it could still rise, but it would take a super-human effort even by Magnum's standards McDonald's! Fuck yeah! Wal-Mart! Fuck yeah! Bed Bath and Beyond! *silence* _____________________
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Patrick Playfair
Registered User
Join date: 19 Jul 2004
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04-18-2006 08:35
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The meek shall inherit the earth (after I'm through with it).
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Moopf Murray
Moopfmerising
Join date: 7 Jan 2004
Posts: 2,448
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04-18-2006 08:37
McDonald's! Fuck yeah! Wal-Mart! Fuck yeah! Bed Bath and Beyond! *silence* I won't report it here, but you'll find it on the Will Liberty thread. _____________________
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Schwanson Schlegel
SL's Tokin' Villain
Join date: 15 Nov 2003
Posts: 2,721
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04-18-2006 08:37
I still like the robot idea. LL needs self replicating robots to repair the grid.
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Richie Waves
Predictable
Join date: 29 Jun 2005
Posts: 1,424
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04-18-2006 08:59
If killing dwell kills camping chairs then it the best desision EVER!
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
Posts: 7,141
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04-18-2006 09:05
I still like the robot idea. LL needs self replicating robots to repair the grid. We won't even need musicians d00d!  Kraftwerk - The Robots We're charging our battery And now we're full of energy We are the robots We are the robots We are the robots We are the robots We're functioning automatic And we are dancing mechanic We are the robots We are the robots We are the robots We are the robots Ja tvoi sluga, (I'm your slave) ja tvoi Rabotnik (I'm your worker.) we are programmed just to do anything you want us to we are the robots we are the robots we are the robots we are the robots we're functioning automatic and we are dancing mechanic we are the robots we are the robots we are the robots we are the robots Ja tvoi sluga, (I'm your slave) ja tvoi Rabotnik (I'm your worker.) Ja tvoi sluga, (I'm your slave) ja tvoi Rabotnik (I'm your worker.) [repeat to fade] We are the robots _____________________
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Raudf Fox
(ra-ow-th)
Join date: 25 Feb 2005
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04-18-2006 09:09
Problem is that their music would sound kinda flat. Unless their programmer was an instrumental genius.
A robot is only as good at it's programmer/creator, so if the LL are the ones programming them? *shudders at the future* No, they don't need robots to repair the grid. I like the grid. I like being on the grid. _____________________
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Nolan Nash
Frischer Frosch
Join date: 15 May 2003
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04-18-2006 09:11
Problem is that their music would sound kinda flat. Unless their programmer was an instrumental genius. A robot is only as good at it's programmer/creator, so if the LL are the ones programming them? *shudders at the future* No, they don't need robots to repair the grid. I like the grid. I like being on the grid. _____________________
“Time's fun when you're having flies.” ~Kermit
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FlipperPA Peregrine
Magically Delicious!
Join date: 14 Nov 2003
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04-18-2006 13:34
Nanites. Kraftwerk rock. _____________________
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