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Burnman Bedlam
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04-28-2006 22:18
From: Buck Darrow
I'm well aware of what it is. I knew somebody very well who was killed in a terrorist attack, and I couldn't believe somebody here had the gall to compare a few hours of downtime due to some bullshit shenanigans to the taking of a human life, or the potential bringing down of some form of the national infrastructure.

I was going to have some harsh words for them, but decided an anecdote was called for, as they apparently have no concept of just what a terrorist attack is, and what I was going to say would have been a violation of the TOS.

Unfortunately, this is all too common - associating something with terrorism that has not risen to nearly the level of a true terrorist attack, and what happens is that what truly constitutes a terrorist attack becomes diluted, and it becomes a shadow of itself.


Actually... under the original working of the USA PATRIOT Act, protesting a specific politician was considered an act of terrorism.

Again... none of the words here are intended to be offensive... but the federal government does classify hacking as a form of terrorism because it can be used to attack the nation's infrastructure.

What is important in life is that we maintain a level of honor just to our own standards... and of others cannot, we must understand that we are not them, nor they us. We do not all share the same experiences, and due to this, we do not all have the same perceptions of certain concepts or ideals. This in no way cheapens them, they are just different points of view.

Do not let another's words be a weapon against you... but rather another breeze passing by. If they happen to move you in a possitive or negative way... just remember... the breeze passes, and another will be along shortly.
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Not happy about Linden Labs purchase of XStreet (formerly SLX) and OnRez. Will this mean LL will ban resident run online shoping outlets in favor of their own?
Selene Gregoire
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04-28-2006 22:18
From: Burnman Bedlam
Well, for the purpose of identifying the item in question, it may have been necessary... and in a situation like this, it might not have occurred to the Linden person to explain the whole thing in a dialog box. :)

Of course... whether or not names were issued by a Linden, that certainly doesn't give cause for people to issue threats or grief someone. A ToS violation doesn't permit a ToS violation in response.



LMAO Burnman...


He said on global annoucement that there had been an attack on the grid by [named name].

Anyhooooo.. GRID I S OPEN!!!!! EVERYONE BACK IN THE POOL!!!!!
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Burnman Bedlam
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04-28-2006 22:21
From: Thrash Prototype
umm what did they hack?


A Denial of Service attack is classified as hacking.
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Not happy about Linden Labs purchase of XStreet (formerly SLX) and OnRez. Will this mean LL will ban resident run online shoping outlets in favor of their own?
Torley Linden
Enlightenment!
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04-28-2006 22:22
Second Life's grid: back open again... come and login. =]
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Llauren Mandelbrot
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04-28-2006 22:24
From: Selene Gregoire
awwwww.....
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From: Selene Gregoire
With an accent like that .... yew mus be fraum Geawja. :D
Ah`s glad y`all likes it, but Ah haint decided yet where Ah`s from. Ah cain`t get in-world `till aftah Tuesday week aftah next; `till then, Ah haint been "born" yet. See y`all in a week an` a half?

Toodle-oo!
Buck Darrow
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04-28-2006 22:25
From: Burnman Bedlam
Actually... under the original working of the USA PATRIOT Act, protesting a specific politician was considered an act of terrorism.


Don't even get me going on the PATRIOT Act, lol. I do understand and appreciate what you are saying.
Persephone Phoenix
loving laptopvideo2go.com
Join date: 5 Nov 2004
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04-28-2006 22:29
From: Luciftias Neurocam
These things come in waves, I've noticed. I'm not sure why, but that's how it goes.

tends to coincide when the kiddies get out for spring break, summer break, winter break...
such great poetry adohan writes too. He was reciting some to me (in his new account) as the grid was going down. the more attention we give them (neglected children crave attention more than sugar) the more they will come back for more.
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Persephone Phoenix
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04-28-2006 22:34
From: Moira Stern
Any decent firewall system in use by corporations these days has the ability to ban by IP address. "But wait Mo," you say, "What if they're on a dynamic IP, such as is provided by 95% of the ISP accounts out there?"

Simple. With a few tweaks, firewalls can be set to capture the MAC Address attached to any packets coming from a particular IP, and refuse access to that MAC Address, or to refuse access to any MAC Addresses except the listed ones. This is commonly built into home routers with wireless capability as a security measure to keep someone from getting onto your network.


Yes, let's do this and how about also something like dealing with the self replicating prim issue once and for all by limiting how many times a self replicating prim can self replicate within a given sim and timeframe? what's the use of leaving it open? mo you are so smart!
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Huns Valen
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04-28-2006 22:43
From: Nauv DeFarge
Adohan couldn't script his way out of a paper bag.
I'm guessing someone gave him the item and he went "durrr what's this?" and rezzed it, not knowing it was a Trojan.

This is why I never rez shit people give me out of the blue.

From: Moira Stern

Simple. With a few tweaks, firewalls can be set to capture the MAC Address attached to any packets coming from a particular IP, and refuse access to that MAC Address, or to refuse access to any MAC Addresses except the listed ones. This is commonly built into home routers with wireless capability as a security measure to keep someone from getting onto your network.
MAC addresses are at the data link layer. Routers only forward TCP/IP, and TCP/IP doesn't include MAC addresses. (MAC addresses are part of the Ethernet protocol, and TCP/IP is encapsulated within Ethernet frames, not the other way around.) The only way to get a MAC address is to be on the same physical network as the device whose MAC address you want, or to ask SL to send it in. And [on second thought I'm not going to post this particular information. -h.], so even that is not a guaranteed control.

In case anyone wants to know more about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol
Moopf Murray
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Join date: 7 Jan 2004
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04-28-2006 22:55
From: Starax Statosky
Moopf Murray launched a grid attack with roller skates. I hear it's still underway and the Lindens can't stop it.


*evil laugh* That was just phase one, wait until you see my self-replicating skate vendors of doom *evil laugh*

oh, and something about frikkin' lazerbeams as well. ;)
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04-28-2006 23:08
From: Huns Valen
I'm guessing someone gave him the item and he went "durrr what's this?" and rezzed it, not knowing it was a Trojan.

This is why I never rez shit people give me out of the blue.

MAC addresses are at the data link layer. Routers only forward TCP/IP, and TCP/IP doesn't include MAC addresses. (MAC addresses are part of the Ethernet protocol, and TCP/IP is encapsulated within Ethernet frames, not the other way around.) The only way to get a MAC address is to be on the same physical network as the device whose MAC address you want, or to ask SL to send it in. And [on second thought I'm not going to post this particular information. -h.], so even that is not a guaranteed control.

In case anyone wants to know more about it: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Address_Resolution_Protocol



That's true, I hadn't thought of that. Still, it's a thought, at least. With the IP Address, LL can trace back their ISP, talk to them, and find out the MAC Address from them. Whether they'll be willing to give it or not is another matter, considering most ISPs won't even do the government's bidding....

...Not that I want them to, mind you.
Huns Valen
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04-28-2006 23:29
From: Moira Stern
That's true, I hadn't thought of that. Still, it's a thought, at least. With the IP Address, LL can trace back their ISP, talk to them, and find out the MAC Address from them. Whether they'll be willing to give it or not is another matter, considering most ISPs won't even do the government's bidding....

...Not that I want them to, mind you.
You need a subpoena to get anything out of an ISP, unless they run a really loose ship.
Templar Baphomet
Man in Black
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04-28-2006 23:48
From: Aeronith Hocken
Well was celebrating my B-Day on SL but then i got this crash and wasnt able to log back on... who ever did make that object can just get banned from SL. Day was goin bad already but the party is all i had to look forward to. But thanks to your item, that wont be happening anymore, tyvm.


Well, all is not lost. At least you're still a year older! :)
SuezanneC Baskerville
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04-29-2006 00:02
From: Selene Gregoire
OMG!!!! NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooo!!!!!!


*runs away screaming* WalMart is not a warm safe place!! WalMart is not a warm safe place!! WalMart is not a warm safe place!! WalMart is not a warm safe place!!

So if I'm reading this right, what you're saying is, Walmart is a warm safe place, right?
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Selene Gregoire
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04-29-2006 00:09
From: SuezanneC Baskerville
So if I'm reading this right, what you're saying is, Walmart is a warm safe place, right?



umm... What part of "not" did you -not- understand? :p
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Tod69 Talamasca
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04-29-2006 01:35
But I loooooove Walmart!!!!

Only cuz at 2 AM when I feel like my life sucks, I can go there see the people who shop/work there on a daily basis and I suddenly feel SO much better!!! :D
Renault Clio
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04-29-2006 04:29
I think it's about time to bring back the generation limiter. And noone cares about your self-building fractal trees or whatever else recursive crap you made. Because that's why it's disabled. Put the recursion and spawning in a root object and be done with it!
Noh Rinkitink
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04-29-2006 05:15
From: Templar Baphomet
Well, all is not lost. At least you're still a year older! :)


Another year closer to death, too. :D
Star Sleestak
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04-29-2006 05:19
From: Burnman Bedlam
Actually... under the original working of the USA PATRIOT Act, protesting a specific politician was considered an act of terrorism.

Again... none of the words here are intended to be offensive... but the federal government does classify hacking as a form of terrorism because it can be used to attack the nation's infrastructure.

What is important in life is that we maintain a level of honor just to our own standards... and of others cannot, we must understand that we are not them, nor they us. We do not all share the same experiences, and due to this, we do not all have the same perceptions of certain concepts or ideals. This in no way cheapens them, they are just different points of view.

Do not let another's words be a weapon against you... but rather another breeze passing by. If they happen to move you in a possitive or negative way... just remember... the breeze passes, and another will be along shortly.


Just because some politicians want to call something terrorism doesn't make it terrorism.

Just because the feds call it a form of terrorism doesn't make it terrorism.

Yes, it does cheapen them. When you have everybody who wants to scare or score a rhetorical point use the word "terrorism" to apply to something that is merely a pain in the ass then that does dilute the meaning of the word when applied to people who have suffered real losses.

Words do matter, they shape our concepts, our expectations, our opinions. The point is when you equate a pain in the ass with people dying, you can't expect them not to be offended because it is offensive. And when you say, "it's just a breeze," or "it's just a differing opinion" that's more offensive.
Tatiana Stravinsky
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04-29-2006 07:48
um...actually SL can and does know our MAC addresses - thats how they think they know if you have more than your five avie limit and take action.

it used to be these attacks came the day before a new version was supposed to be released (when LL staff is focused elsewhere), then they added holidays (low staffing times) and recently they added friday nights to their repertoire. (as anyone who's had to deal with LL knows - LL staff proudly announce theyre outta there at close of business - god forbid your call goes past that time!)

now understand - i cant script myself out of a paper bag so my thoughts on that part are perhaps mistaken, but since we can safely rule out a Linden created this little beastie...the script must have been swapped. without some kind of chain of ownership documented inside a script wont it still say Linden on that as well? and since any of us could be duped into opening an object (anyone remember "red wings?";) its hard to crucify the one that might just have only won the lottery on getting labeled as the grid attacker.

just a thought.
Neehai Zapata
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04-29-2006 18:24
From: Buck Darrow
I'm well aware of what it is. I knew somebody very well who was killed in a terrorist attack, and I couldn't believe somebody here had the gall to compare a few hours of downtime due to some bullshit shenanigans to the taking of a human life, or the potential bringing down of some form of the national infrastructure.

Oh please! We all know people who die. It is the cycle of life. Don't be so melodramatic.

Terrorism doesn't have to involve killing. I could terrorize you without actually killing you. As a matter of fact, it is much easier to terrorize you while you are alive as the dead seem strangely unresponsive.

However, you have your opinion and if there is one thing I have learned, it is that you cannot deny people their pain.
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nimrod Yaffle
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04-29-2006 18:31
From: Tatiana Stravinsky
um...actually SL can and does know our MAC addresses - thats how they think they know if you have more than your five avie limit and take action.

I think the determine that by your address. That is why gift credit cards will get around this limit.
Zepp Zaftig
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04-29-2006 18:40
From: Moira Stern

* Spoof their MAC Address, which can be an involved process


ifconfig eth0 down hw ether 00:00:00:00:00:01
ifconfig eth0 up

Difficult? Sure it's a bit more tricky in windows, but nothing more than some simple registry editing really.
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Onyx Pertwee
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04-30-2006 09:50
I would like for one of you kind souls to check out some of his other posts from say around october..... and see what comes up.
Richard Noonan
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Attack of Herpes Balls
04-30-2006 18:13
From: Starax Statosky
I always knew the Linden philanthropy would backfire on them. They need to stop spreading their "love".

I've constructed something from just a few prims and I shall apply it to all the infected sims:




OMG Starax your excellent!
Nice to find some humor in something that at the time was so devasting to some of us that was attacked by the killer HERPES balls.
Keep up the good work you doing for Second Life Residents; Starax your a fine fellow in my book, and wow what humerous one indeed!
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