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CNET News.com reporter wanting to interview age players

Toy LaFollette
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04-08-2006 03:08
I find it very strange after being in SL over 2 years now and always in a short av that I havent been approached about this. Sure my avs are short.... 3'10" and 5'0". I would think after 2 years I would have been approached by now by the claimed 'age play crowd'. Maybe its simply what someone imagines when they see a very short av, dunno, I sure dont. Maybe its someone imagination run wild. Short av.... SL is adult.... adult... adult sex !!!! OH MY!!!! it, it, it must be pornography!!! BAH
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04-08-2006 03:33
From: Toy LaFollette
I find it very strange after being in SL over 2 years now and always in a short av that I havent been approached about this. Sure my avs are short.... 3'10" and 5'0". I would think after 2 years I would have been approached by now by the claimed 'age play crowd'. Maybe its simply what someone imagines when they see a very short av, dunno, I sure dont. Maybe its someone imagination run wild. Short av.... SL is adult.... adult... adult sex !!!! OH MY!!!! it, it, it must be pornography!!! BAH

Not sure what Ageplay is either..
I first read about it because someone posted about it during the child porn/abuse threads. My answer about child porn (/139/97/96554/1.html) got answered with a link to this thread: /139/c9/96283/1.html.

It mentioned age play. So I guess that some people think that ageplay is the same as what I call "AV Child porn". Although I still think that the people that where doing ageplay was more like "adults AV's wearing diapers". And had nothing to do with "avatar child porn".

About size's: Dont think that size has anything to do about it that would not be fair to the lepercons & smurfs!
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Selador Cellardoor
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04-08-2006 03:41
From: Reitsuki Kojima
So, instead, you're intollerant of people being intollerant.

Niiiiiice.


What nonsense!
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04-08-2006 03:45
From: Red Mars
Ohhh Nooeess Someone who seems to find some sort of validation in something as repulsive as pretending to have sex with children banned and muted me!!! :eek:


Whatevah will I do?


Just reposted this so that Jake can see the potentially libellous statement.
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04-08-2006 03:48
From: aEoLuS Waves
Not sure what Ageplay is either..
I first read about it because someone posted about it during the child porn/abuse threads. My answer about child porn (/139/97/96554/1.html) got answered with a link to this thread: /139/c9/96283/1.html.

It mentioned age play. So I guess that some people think that ageplay is the same as what I call "AV Child porn". Although I still think that the people that where doing ageplay was more like "adults AV's wearing diapers". And had nothing to do with "avatar child porn".

About size's: Dont think that size has anything to do about it that would not be fair to the lepercons & smurfs!


I do know what age play is.... I honestly believe you do also.... consenting adults having sex and one, or both, roleplays a child.

Since SL is adult thats what may, or may not, go on here. I've never seen or heard of it before the wild threads a week or so ago. As far as av child porn, what is that? There are no children in SL there are just adults so its age play, nothing more.
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Clarrice Cinquetti
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04-08-2006 04:00
This is probably way out in left field but it's early and I haven't had my coffee yet...

Wouldn't what happened to the Government Home Land Security Person be a bit like age play? He was online, having erotic talks with what he thought was a 14 yr old...it was actually an adult Police Officer or Detective...

So scenerio..Joe Friday comes online makes a 14 yr old looking avy and next thing you know they are in sex ball park somewhere...does it not become age play till they actually use a web cam or send naked pics of their avy onto the screen or just talking about it?

Would this be a gray area for the Police? I wonder exactly what would warrant being arrested, was it because he gave out his true life info or did the chat room he was involved in give out his actual name and location?

This last few days of this National News Story has made me question exactly how the law works in these cases.

Any thoughts?
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Toy LaFollette
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04-08-2006 04:20
From: Clarrice Cinquetti
This is probably way out in left field but it's early and I haven't had my coffee yet...

Wouldn't what happened to the Government Home Land Security Person be a bit like age play? He was online, having erotic talks with what he thought was a 14 yr old...it was actually an adult Police Officer or Detective...

So scenerio..Joe Friday comes online makes a 14 yr old looking avy and next thing you know they are in sex ball park somewhere...does it not become age play till they actually use a web cam or send naked pics of their avy onto the screen or just talking about it?

Would this be a gray area for the Police? I wonder exactly what would warrant being arrested, was it because he gave out his true life info or did the chat room he was involved in give out his actual name and location?

This last few days of this National News Story has made me question exactly how the law works in these cases.

Any thoughts?

I believe there was no case until the person wanted to set up a RL meeting with the, what he thought, was a 14 yo, prior to that his defense was "I really knew it was someone older and we were role playing."
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04-08-2006 04:53
I feel really sorry for anyone lining up for this one... Ratings is on the way and folks are mining for sweeps. Trust me - although the subject matter is touchy at best, if you don't think the peice won't come out as:

Paedophiles on the net.. we're watching out for you to protect your kids! Internet Perverts at 11!


You are sadly sadly fucking mistaken.
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04-08-2006 04:55
From: Lorelei Patel
If companies, the government or your grandma had the ability to control a story at whim, what use at all would the media be?


Not sure if you noticed, but media (in general) is being owned by a smaller and smaller number of companies - who CAN and DO control or cancel stories when it threatens their interests.

:eek:
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Toy LaFollette
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04-08-2006 04:57
From: Siggy Romulus
I feel really sorry for anyone lining up for this one... Ratings is on the way and folks are mining for sweeps. Trust me - although the subject matter is touchy at best, if you don't think the peice won't come out as:

Paedophiles on the net.. we're watching out for you to protect your kids! Internet Perverts at 11!


You are sadly sadly fucking mistaken.


I couldnt agree more Siggy. The first Cnet report on this was one persons opinion, no proof, simply wild ravings.
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04-08-2006 04:57
From: Lorelei Patel
Come again?

Why do you assume the worst?


Because I work for NBC

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If companies, the government or your grandma had the ability to control a story at whim, what use at all would the media be?


None whatsoever - amazingly what use it's been for a long long time.. Story's are about bums on chairs, ratings, and higher advertising rates.. and thats across the board - every single News outlet across the US.

If they were interested in SL this post would be about looking for people in SL. The fact they want 'age players in SL' makes my sensationalist radar go burning red. Like I said - if you don't think it's about getting a controversial story ready in time for ratings, you're deluding yourself.
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04-08-2006 04:58
From: Siggy Romulus
I feel really sorry for anyone lining up for this one... Ratings is on the way and folks are mining for sweeps. Trust me - although the subject matter is touchy at best, if you don't think the peice won't come out as:
Paedophiles on the net.. we're watching out for you to protect your kids! Internet Perverts at 11!
You are sadly sadly fucking mistaken.


You know, you're stopping the culling of stupid people when you warn them like that. The idea is you LET people walk into lion's dens, thereby leaving the ones with an instinct for self-preservation and the intelligence to see a hungry lion MIGHT see you as food to remain in the gene-pool in larger numbers...
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04-08-2006 05:01
From: Foolish Frost
You know, you're stopping the culling of stupid people when you warn them like that. The idea is you LET people walk into lion's dens, thereby leaving the ones with an instinct for self-preservation and the intelligence to see a hungry lion MIGHT see you as food to remain in the gene-pool in larger numbers...


This is true - but its avoiding the greater evil... 'SL - A haven for Paederast Rock Spider Fucks!'

Trust me - we just did a slew of stories on MySpace, Habbo Hotel, and a bunch of others before went on Vacation, and trust me it's not 'a portion' of the company that gets the black brush - its a carpet bombing.
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04-08-2006 05:25
From: Siggy Romulus
This is true - but its avoiding the greater evil... 'SL - A haven for Paederast Rock Spider Fucks!'

Trust me - we just did a slew of stories on MySpace, Habbo Hotel, and a bunch of others before went on Vacation, and trust me it's not 'a portion' of the company that gets the black brush - its a carpet bombing.


Truth. Truth.

<sigh> Ok, I'll break the rule of allowing people to destroy their own lives in their own way. Problem is, they won't listen: If they can't see it for themselves, they're not going to listen to us...

You know it for fact...
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04-08-2006 05:30
From: Toy LaFollette
I couldnt agree more Siggy. The first Cnet report on this was one persons opinion, no proof, simply wild ravings.


If you are referring to the link that was posted during the recent witch hunt, I believe that was to a comment posted to an unrelated SL article, not an article itself.
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04-08-2006 05:52
From: someone
This is true - but its avoiding the greater evil... 'SL - A haven for Paederast Rock Spider Fucks!
It isn't???? That could explain why I've been playing for years and have yet to get "lucky".

Thanks for the info. I did find www.havenforpederastrockspiderfucks.com which does look more ummmm... "targeted".
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04-08-2006 06:36
From: Toy LaFollette
I do know what age play is.... I honestly believe you do also.... consenting adults having sex and one, or both, roleplays a child.

Since SL is adult thats what may, or may not, go on here. I've never seen or heard of it before the wild threads a week or so ago.

Me either :-)

From: Toy LaFollette
As far as av child porn, what is that? There are no children in SL there are just adults so its age play, nothing more.

"Avatar child porn" is using child avatars and have porn with those. And althought some of you dont care about it because it are adults doing it, some of us do care about it and I think that if Lindenlab can stop us from cursing inside the game, they could stand up and say no against this form of porn. But Lindenlab doesnt consider "Avatar Child Porn" to be "Child Pornography".

If you say that ageplay is the same as "Avatar child porn" then ageplay is totaly ok too.

Most of us know the differents between adults and kids, we learned that on school and in live. It doesnt mather that there are no children that play SL and only adults that are playing this game.
"If it looks like a child avatar it is IS a child avatar" (claiming this is already on the edge. Now the "avatar child porn defenders" are going on about what is or isnt a child/kid. Then we have the "define this/that" discusion, then someone mentions "age play" and before you know it a reporter drops in looking for some people that do ageplay.

oh well, my hero is Don Quichotte!
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04-08-2006 07:35
My av has grey hair. I also did it deliberately. I guess I'm engaged in "age play" since I look younger IRL.

I wonder why it is that some people only see one side of this; the perverse, disgusting and illegal side. Predisposition?
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04-08-2006 07:35
From: aEoLuS Waves
oh well, my hero is Don Quixote!
What a coincidence, mine is Rocinante (but I will not say what I do in my fantasy life :p). Good luck with those windmills, I think you'll need it.
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04-08-2006 08:39
From: aEoLuS Waves
Me either :-)
"Avatar child porn" is using child avatars and have porn with those. And althought some of you dont care about it because it are adults doing it, some of us do care about it and I think that if Lindenlab can stop us from cursing inside the game, they could stand up and say no against this form of porn. But Lindenlab doesnt consider "Avatar Child Porn" to be "Child Pornography".

If you say that ageplay is the same as "Avatar child porn" then ageplay is totaly ok too.


How can we call an Avatar a child when a Avatar has no real age since they are not real? Most of don't care because we know everyone here is over 18 and being over 18 they have the right to do what they wish as long as they don’t break the TOS. How can Linden labs or anyone else consider two adults playing sex games Child Porn when there are no children in the game it is the same as 2 adults in RL who dress up like children and have sex, it is fantasy roll play and the sex industry makes millions on this selling adult sized child looking items, such as baby items, school girl/boy uniforms etc.
What goes on in SL is pretty much the same as this type of roll play and these people are not going to be arrested for child porn for doing this because it is not child porn as there are no real children involved. The only people worried about this going on in SL are the same people who want to stop this activity in RL. They will never stop this roll play in RL and there is no way to stop it in SL without stopping all Adult related activities.
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04-08-2006 08:50
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My av has grey hair. I also did it deliberately. I guess I'm engaged in "age play" since I look younger IRL.

I wonder why it is that some people only see one side of this; the perverse, disgusting and illegal side. Predisposition?


Because it's what they want to focus on. Without being able to run around in circles yelling 'ZOMGCHILDPRON', they can't keep the (ohGODwillitpleasediealready) 'controversy' going. My own theory is that such folks suffer from a 'drama deficit' in real life, and have to find drama supplements online.
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04-08-2006 09:00
From: Ninja Kawabata
How can we call an Avatar a child when a Avatar has no real age since they are not real? Most of don't care because we know everyone here is over 18 and being over 18 they have the right to do what they wish as long as they don’t break the TOS. How can Linden labs or anyone else consider two adults playing sex games Child Porn when there are no children in the game it is the same as 2 adults in RL who dress up like children and have sex, it is fantasy roll play and the sex industry makes millions on this selling adult sized child looking items, such as baby items, school girl/boy uniforms etc.

Yes thats what they tell us, its legal in your country so Lindenlab cant/wont do a thing about it.

From: Ninja Kawabata
What goes on in SL is pretty much the same as this type of roll play and these people are not going to be arrested for child porn for doing this because it is not child porn as there are no real children involved.

Yes that is what they keep telling me over and over. But still its AV child porn because it looks like that. But its not up to me to judge about that. If you think you are looking at child porn then you just report it. If you think its just two adults having fun then well you just do what you like.

From: Ninja Kawabata
The only people worried about this going on in SL are the same people who want to stop this activity in RL. They will never stop this roll play in RL and there is no way to stop it in SL without stopping all Adult related activities.

In RL we can stop Child Pornography. If two adults dress up as kids in RL and have sex you cant do a thing about it. You see they look like adults that bahve, dress up like children.
And mabey you didnt know but in RL you cant change into a child. However you can change into a child avatar here. And thats what makes it on the edge.

And I still think that "SL age play" is something different then "avatar child porn". But ageplayers are the ones that should defend or give their opinion about that.
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04-08-2006 09:08
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My av has grey hair. I also did it deliberately. I guess I'm engaged in "age play" since I look younger IRL.

I wonder why it is that some people only see one side of this; the perverse, disgusting and illegal side. Predisposition?

I think they used the "age play" words to get rid of the "Child Porn" words. Age play sounds nicer and less harmfull then child porn. Anyway, its sad that they use this "age play" word.
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04-08-2006 09:08
From: aEoLuS Waves
Yes thats what they tell us, its legal in your country so Lindenlab cant/wont do a thing about it.


Yes that is what they keep telling me over and over. But still its AV child porn because it looks like that. But its not up to me to judge about that. If you think you are looking at child porn then you just report it. If you think its just two adults having fun then well you just do what you like.


In RL we can stop Child Pornography. If two adults dress up as kids in RL and have sex you cant do a thing about it. You see they look like adults that bahve, dress up like children.
And mabey you didnt know but in RL you cant change into a child. However you can change into a child avatar here. And thats what makes it on the edge.

And I still think that "SL age play" is something different then "avatar child porn". But ageplayers are the ones that should defend or give their opinion about that.


I have a child avatar; at no point have I ever lost sight of the fact that I'm an adult while playing SL. I've also never seen kid avatars having sex, despite the apparent rampancy of this phenomenon. As for child porn being permitted by LL... you are aware that they've had people remove ecchi of the 'lolicon' variety, right? Which is more than they had to do, under the letter of the law. You are aware that the 'broadly offensive' portion of the TOS could be restated as 'we don't like what you're doing, *BOOT*', right? LL doesn't need to make an official 'we don't support child pr0n' announcement or modification to the TOS, because they already have their asses covered by a much broader statement.

In short, you aren't tilting at windmills, you're tilting at the rumored presence of windmills, while the local cops already have an APB out on windmills and will get rid of them if they show up. Unless, of course, you're trying to institute a ban on child-avatar-sex in private... which is unenforceable, and could also arguably be covered by the 'broadly offensive' portion of the TOS.
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04-08-2006 09:09
From: aEoLuS Waves
I think they used the "age play" words to get rid of the "Child Porn" words. Age play sounds nicer and less harmfull then child porn. Anyway, its sad that they use this "age play" word.


Age play is distinct from child pr0n in several ways. For one, it is possible to play a child avatar and not go around randomly having sex with people. I've done it often. For another, age play doesn't need to involve a child avatar at all (people with a 'grandpa fetish', for instance).

ETA: I forgot the most obvious way that age play is unlike child pr0n. There are no children involved in age play.
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