SLCC 2006: Registration is now open!

stop squawking and do it

there is nowhere written a rule which says there can only be one 'sl con' on earth, per year

if you want more community involvement, start by goin out, and gettin some, and then work on makin it real.

Generally speaking cons have a few people making alot of the calls because if they *DID NOT*, if every single decision made at every level was made by community polling and wide scale meetings etc, there wouldn't *be* cons, at some point, someone has to start puttin feet to the pavement, makin calls, and get the ball rolling.

If you think that there is a better way, by all means, try it, otherwise its just so much more whining.

If it *WORKS* and you actually get something going well damn good for you, and all of sl, and if it doesn't work, then at least you might have some real insight to provide.

You noticed this too Eltee? I've worked in event coordination for over 6 years and all the big decisions were made by a core group of advisors and organizers.

Unfortunately, last year we had to make many decisions rather quickly as the convention planning started in the beginning of August and the convention happened in early October. This translated to having to do about 6 months worth of work in two months time. There were many times we said to ourselves "Oh it would be great if we could do XYZ, but we don't have enough time and resources to dedicate to doing it correctly."

In any case, the organizers have all been visible and approachable - you want to be involved drop us a line - you have a suggestion for content, theme, speakers, topics, sponsorship etc you know where to find us. It is as simple as dropping us an IM in world.

What people seem to fail to notice is that everyone involved in organizing has very busy real-life schedule. We all have full-time jobs and responsibilites and are doing this because we love SL that much and want to bring people together by having a convention. We are all in essence donating our time and expertise to the organization process. I'm not doing this to stroke my inflated ego. Shit, if I wanted to do that I would have picked a less time consuming way to do so.

Back to the point, I'm not sure other than not polling the entire community about where to have the convention how we failed to involve the community at all and why there is such dramatic whinging about it. In all the instances of said whinging, not once have I seen a single concrete suggestion for what we should do exactly to involve the community more and why it is such a "travesty" as is. Its all just "zOMG you all suck you FIC self-important arrogant ones who care nothing about the community and dont involve the community and the community and san fran sucks as a location blah blah blah". If anyone expects me to take that seriously, consider putting more acid in your wheaties.

Not all of us have the means or freedom to be able to actually do it. I have no intention however of letting that stop me from stating my opinion when it's obvious there is a breakdown (or lack of an existing) in a process.

Agreed, sometimes it takes time and skill to do something right. However, that doesn't mean one needs to be an einstein to be able to see when something is being done wrong. I'm of the opinion this one is at the least being done wrong, and I have no qualms about saying so.

Until such time as the SLC can actually demonstrate that they're involving the community - which they haven't so far - then I fully intend to point it out.


- Newfie

I dunno, man. It's over. You lost.

Enabran, it's not about winning or losing. It is about community involvement. It's about stating that it's "community". No, they didn't do it for year one, and they didn't do it for year two. Will they do it for year three? That's my hope that they do. If you represent the community then allow the community to voice an opinion before decisions are made. If you are an organization that is hosting an "event" that the SL community can come to then say that, call a spade a spade.

I'm not sure I understand the expectation. You want a democratic committee of all 200,000 SL users to manage the event?

Gotta love the whining in this joint.

If for once someone would do something more proactive than complaining about the lack of community involvement like say suggest things we could do to involve the community more or what ideas you have. But, no its the same old whinging over and over again that there is NO community involvement whatsoever at all etc. when it comes to the SLCC, which quite frankly it is a crock of shit.

We have not announced every single aspect of the SLCC yet because there are things we are still working out the details on. You know where to find us if you have suggestions or valid concerns other than vague pissings on about how we suck for doing everything wrong.

So just answer the question plain and simple instead of complaining about the LACK of *community* involvement... As far as I have seen the primary complaint about the lack of community mostly surrounds the decision to have it in San Francisco.

How can the SLCC involve the community more for this year? for next year? Seriously, it seems like no matter what we do to involve the community its never enough and we are just a bunch of self-serving FICers.

Y'all think you can do a better job then step up to the plate and put your money where your mouth is and do something. Its easy to complain vaguely about the gross injustices of people who stepped up to the plate and are actually doing something.

The point is that everyone has a different definition of community involvement and yet no one can clearly articulate how the community should be involved more. All they can do is slag the organizers for doing things wrong and not involving the community more. We'd probably take things into more serious consideration if they were more well-defined and less whiny loser babyish.

The community is involved because they can show up and participate if they want to. That's good enough for me.

City by the bay, here I come.

well I for one Jen, congratulate and commend you and every one of the organizers of the SLCC2006.

I think you are all doing a fabulous job and not sure you could have involved the community more then you already have.
I also, can not think of a better place for the convention then SF.

me thinks that because some are so opposed to it being in SF that they will do or say just about anything to lam-bash the organizers.
ether that or they just like to piss and moan cause it makes them feel self important

ether way keep up the good work and the convention will be an absolute and tremendous success!!!!

Crucial

Yah, there must be some complex math equation I am not getting

- a convention organized by a group of community members and community volunteers for the community

- speakers comprised of community members (resident panels), Lindens and some outside speakers speaking on SL community related topics

- an in-world component to the convention to involve the community members who cannot attend in San Francisco including community events, community builds and community showcases

- etc.

Nope I don't see any community involvement there.

Me neither. Have some proof of these statements, or are these all in your usual empty rants of 'we're gonna involve the community, really, but we dont wanna tell you the details because we're the SLC committee'?


- Newfie

So I take it that's a no on the proof?

It's all so easy, really...just meet the challenge instead of dodging the criticisms. Nothing ends a debate as quickly as proof.

- Newfie

My my, still no proof? I should have done that fifty posts ago, it would've shortened this process considerably.


- Newfie

THE WORD 'REDUNDANT' HAS DRAWN ME HERE

Hello. Can I please add that I'd hate to see this thread devolve into a pile of crap due to disagreements between our Residents? You already know how it goes. Personal disputes and unproductivity gets threads closed, and you all also know posting lotsa eyebrow-raisin' images may be symptomatic of a prescient Sandbox move. So, keen folks, I gently hope it doesn't come to that. ^.^

Additionally, not saying this has to be done but it's open for possibilities: who wishes to be proactive and organize their very own Second Life convention is totally welcome to do a new thread as they see fit too. It's not like Highlander where there can only be one. After all, kinda like Star Trek's conventions, we can have Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations... plus, it's all good for SL. The buzz, oui? Plenty of room.

Okay, back to inventorybugland for me.

Sad to see how this thread has deteriorated.


I recently attended a Company " Users" Conference. The Company involved was Boeing. They held their " Users" conference in Seattle. As it is their home, and they have a wordwide " community " of " users", it was as good a place as any , particularly because it allowed the " community" to have direct contact with many of the Boeing Personnel they may have had contact with over the years.

I see the SLCC as exactly the same. I had an opportunity to attend a UK SL get together recentlywhich was apprently good fun l, but unfortunately I was out of the country. So I would suggest that regional or local "Community" conferences could and should be organised by locals. Hopefully , the Lindens would support these by sending some representation.

Ham

I'm getting used to it because pretty much every single SLCC thread has devolved into the same exact repetitive redundant drivel from the same exact repetitive redundant people.

We would use the SLCC Group Forum for announcements where we have resmod rights, but when we have posted there very few people seem to read/post there so it seems kind of a waste to do so.

If we apply a little bit of basic logic here, it's obvious that it would be the same message from the same people. The item of disagreement is still the same, and there's been no resolution as to the statement of the problem. Hence, same message, same people.



How about using the events forum? Right, that doesn't get the viewership that the General forum does, so clearly that's not useful to you either. Yet another example of how the SLC's decision-making process is influenced by 'convenience' or 'expediency'.


By the way, I'm still waiting for proof of the community's involvement in the SLC. That's all it would take to end this issue. Surely it would be easy and 'convenient' for you to provide, if you had any.


- Newfie

Dude, what did I tell you yesterday? You lose, man. It's over.

You lost.

Go home.

Trying to get this thread back on topic, and resisting any more attempts at image based humor to diffuse a redundant debate - concerning registration of the SLCC (note: not semantics), we are now over 100 slots taken. I'm pretty sure that 400 avatars named "W-Hat PWNS" aren't planning on attending, so I've deleted them from the database.

An announcement concerning a major community activity that will be taking place between both worlds during the SLCC will be forthcoming shortly. The final details are being worked out.

Regards,

-Flip

I am SO excited! I just booked my flight! wQQt! I'll arrive in SF on Aug. 17 at 5:42pm; yes, it's a day early, but I plan on doing some serious shopping!

See, my avatar and I have quite a bit in common.

awesome new flip cant wait to hear

and 100 sign ups so far with so much time to go the convention will be full in no time this is just so awesome cant wait to see every one.

and I'm flying in on the 15th leaving on the 21st I figure I might as well make the most out of the time in SF