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Dianne Mechanique
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01-26-2006 09:14
From: Cristiano Midnight
That part I understand - I am referring to her protests about the use of them by moderators outside of the classifieds.
Yah, I just thought I would pick out the good part.
Makes me look smart. :D
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01-26-2006 09:16
OMG - will this topic never die
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01-26-2006 09:29
When I don't have a lot of time to read all the forums I scan the stars to find out what the average person thinks is interesting in SL. Now it's what the Res Mods think is interesting. I'm not one for being told what is interesting or valued by a singular group of ppl. I am very interested in what the majority feels.

If I was working for a company for free what threads would I push up the star ladder?

:rolleyes:
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01-26-2006 09:33
From: Martin Magpie
If I was working for a company for free what threads would I push up the star ladder?


You, personally, you mean? Possibly your many good bye threads. Just as a guess.

edit: Wait, was that question rhetorical?
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01-26-2006 09:36
This will not end well. :D
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01-26-2006 09:37
The stars mean even less in the Discussion forums than they do in the Classifieds.
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Cristiano Midnight
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01-26-2006 09:37
From: Martin Magpie
When I don't have a lot of time to read all the forums I scan the stars to find out what the average person thinks is interesting in SL. Now it's what the Res Mods think is interesting. I'm not one for being told what is interesting or valued by a singular group of ppl. I am very interested in what the majority feels.

If I was working for a company for free what threads would I push up the star ladder?

:rolleyes:


Most threads never have a star rating on them anyway, so what is the big deal? Also, it does not take very many votes on a thread to make its star rating appear - so seeing a star rating is not an indicator of a majority feeling something, just of a few people having voted. The system is pretty useless. Perhaps if it is used well by moderators, it will point out active, interesting and useful threads. You know, the things people claim to always want? Again, I just think without seeing the implementation, it is weird to damn the entire thing already. It does have some potential, and it is not like the current ratings mean anything anyway as they are so rarely used.
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Cheyenne Marquez
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01-26-2006 09:38
Though arguably petty, the OP has a point.

Using a star system in the classified forums is a flawed concept.

Points to take into consideration include;

1. Many of the designers perusing the classifieds are competitiors. Do you for one minute believe that they are unbiased when rating their competition? Given one guess, how many stars do you supose one designer is giving their most fierce competitor.

2. The star system provides no constructive feedback other than "you're great," "you're average," or "you suck." IMHO, if youre going to tell someone they suck, atleast give them the benefit of knowing why they suck so that they can improve upon their "suckage."

3. The star system is beholden to popularity. More often than not, if you have lots of friends or are quite popular your product will be rated favorably regardless of how sucky it is. Conversely, if your new or not very popular, your product will get an average rating, if any, unless its particularly outstanding.

4. How about if youre a very good designer but may have, for whatever reason, had disagreements with a few people or groups? Do you think this may be reflected on their product's ratings?

These are just a few points. I'm certain I could think of more but I think the point is made (and i dont want to go on and on about this :))

Bottom line is, the rating system simply does not accurately reflect the quality of the product. If it cant accomplish this objective, what good is it?
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01-26-2006 09:42
From: Cheyenne Marquez
Though arguably petty, the OP has a point.

Using a star system in the classified forums is a flawed concept.

Points to take into consideration include;

1. Many of the designers perusing the classifieds are competitiors. Do you for one minute believe that they are unbiased when rating their competition? Given one guess, how many stars to you supose one designer is giving their most fierce competitor.

2. The star system provides no constructive feedback other than "you're great," "you're average," or "you suck." IMHO, if youre going to tell someone they suck, atleast give them the benefit of knowing why they suck so that they can improve upon their "suckage."

3. The star system is beholden to popularity. More often than not, if you have lots of friends or are quite popular your product will be rated favorably regardless of how sucky it is. Conversely, if your new or not very popular, your product will get an average rating, if any, unless its particularly outstanding.

4. How about if youre a very good designer but may have, for whatever reason, had disagreements with a few people or groupsr? Do you think this may be reflected on their product's ratings?

These are just a few points. I'm certain I could think of more but I think the point is made (and i dont want to go on and on about this :))

Bottom line is, the rating system simply does not accurately reflect the quality of the product. If it cant accomplish this objective, what good is it?


Her main point is not about classifieds, the flaws of which have already been rehashed many times. Her complaint is about forum moderators being the ones to rate threads - they have removed our ability to rate in any forum except classifieds. While she remains upset about classifieds, her issue is now with the new system as well.
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01-26-2006 09:46
From: Cristiano Midnight
Most threads never have a star rating on them anyway, so what is the big deal? Also, it does not take very many votes on a thread to make its star rating appear - so seeing a star rating is not an indicator of a majority feeling something, just of a few people having voted. The system is pretty useless. Perhaps if it is used well by moderators, it will point out active, interesting and useful threads. You know, the things people claim to always want? Again, I just think without seeing the implementation, it is weird to damn the entire thing already. It does have some potential, and it is not like the current ratings mean anything anyway as they are so rarely used.


I think I explained my use for them Cristiano. I personaly think its another control user views issue. I don't like that.

I understand your view, I simply disagree.

Cat :)
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01-26-2006 09:52
From: Cristiano Midnight
Her main point is not about classifieds, the flaws of which have already been rehashed many times. Her complaint is about forum moderators being the ones to rate threads - they have removed our ability to rate in any forum except classifieds. While she remains upset about classifieds, her issue is now with the new system as well.


True.

However, I can't help but seize the opportunity to plug in the inadequacies of the star system in the classified forums whenever I can.

It is second on my pet peeves lists, behind my desire to have the "mapping" ability removed in regard to our friends lists.

Forgive me, I am relentless when it comes to my pet peeves :)

Edit: It might be tied in second place with getting Lawrence to do something about the devaluation of the Linden on the LindeX :)

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01-26-2006 10:06
From: Martin Magpie
I think I explained my use for them Cristiano. I personaly think its another control user views issue. I don't like that.

I understand your view, I simply disagree.

Cat :)


It's cool - I was just asking because I don't understand how you can use them that way when probably 1 out of every 20 threads ends up with a star rating. I don't disagree that taking away our ability to rate them is a bad thing per se, I guess I am so indifferent to the star ratings currently that a change in their use doesn't really bother me. I feel the same way about the classifieds - I don't pay any attention to the stars there, I simply look at what sounds interesting to me. Perhaps they should just remove star ratings altogether - they have been abused in classifeds, and some people will resent their use now in other forums by moderators, so perhaps just scrapping them is best. These forums won't suddenly become more interesting or productive with moderator star ratings anyway.
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01-26-2006 10:11
Stars?
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01-26-2006 10:17
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You, personally, you mean? Possibly your many good bye threads. Just as a guess.

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Cybin Monde
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oh my..
01-26-2006 10:31
*looks nervously about*

ok, acting as a ResMod in this post.. just so you know..

first of all, i think this is probably one of those threads that should be moved to Off Topic since it doesn't have direct relevance to the world of SL and is more of a forum pet peeve on this new development; HOWEVER, i really, really don't wantr to make a mis-step anywhere.. so, for now, i'm leaving that alone.

as far as the topic at hand goes.. i never payed much attention to stars either. i understand why it's troubling to some that it has been removed from everyone's hands but the mods, but as has been fairly well evidenced here.. it doesn't really make a big difference in who reads what anyway.

on other hand, i agree that this could end up being a good thing. if used well, we may see an increase in the meaning of stars.. with drahmatic threads getting lower ratings and useful/interesting/thought-provoking threads getting higher ratings.

two other possibilities are that either they become visable to ResMods and LL exclusively, possibly allowing for easier navigation to what needs attention and what deserves attention.
..either that or just getting rid of them altogether if this doesn't pan out usefully.
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01-26-2006 10:33
Without stars, can we still have a star chamber?
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01-26-2006 10:36
From: Cybin Monde
first of all, i think this is probably one of those threads that should be moved to Off Topic since it doesn't have direct relevance to the world of SL and is more of a forum pet peeve on this new development; HOWEVER, i really, really don't wantr to make a mis-step anywhere.. so, for now, i'm leaving that alone.



I am curious about this...
Is discussion on the structure of the SL forums suppossed to be in 'Off Topic" ?

If it is, the rules need to be changed, as I see the structure of the forums to be very relevant.
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01-26-2006 10:43
Schwanson, that's exactly why i decided to take a more passive role in this thread.

it's an excellent question and i tend to take your side in this issue. if i'm told differently, then i will be obliged to act accordibngly.

i think maybe i'll bring this up amongst the ResMods and hope for an official answer from Jeska.
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Jonquille Noir
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01-26-2006 11:03
Not sure if it's deliberate or an oops, but the option to rate threads in the Classified forums is gone too. (I hope it's deliberate.)

Edit: Nevermind then :D Thanks Jeska!
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01-26-2006 11:03
This should in fact be moved to Off-Topic.

Also, since we have removed the ability for non-Linden or ResMods to rate threads in the Discussion forums, it makes sense to remove the ability in other forums as well. Thank you for your patience during this new phase of the Second Life Forums.
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01-26-2006 11:40
From: Jeska Linden
This should in fact be moved to Off-Topic.

Also, since we have removed the ability for non-Linden or ResMods to rate threads in the Discussion forums, it makes sense to remove the ability in other forums as well. Thank you for your patience during this new phase of the Second Life Forums.


Does this mean that the 'Off Topic' forums are the correct place to discuss the official Second Life forums?

That seems strange to me.
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01-26-2006 11:48
Historically, meta-discussions about the forums are moved to Off-topic and/or closed (as they typically take on the "Hey Who Moved my Cheese - err Thread!" type posts. This is something that as a community we need to determine if we want to have meta-discussions about Second Life Forums in the General Second Life discussion area or elsewhere.
Schwanson Schlegel
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01-26-2006 11:49
Thanks for the reply Jeska. It really doesn't bother me either way, just seemed strange.

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01-26-2006 11:50
From: Schwanson Schlegel
Does this mean that the 'Off Topic' forums are the correct place to discuss the official Second Life forums?

That seems strange to me.


Well of course... All SL related stuff should be here... The other forums are for Drahma!!! :p
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