Defining the FIC (Seriously)
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Cocoanut Cookie
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03-16-2006 16:09
From: Siggy Romulus Unless it's you? Thats what you're intoning from your previous post. And why not? I've been asked about things that I specifically make that noone else in SL makes... so why shouldn't I?
Would I go to a plumber to do my brickwork?
If I spent the time and effort to do something new and innovative - why shouldn't I be asked about it? No, not unless it's me. And yes, they need to always follow form. coco P.S. And I've shown enough history - and the history is staring you flat in the FACE - that things have been done by choosing among the known entities, and are sometimes still being done that way. If you refuse to see that evidence, there is nothing I can do. And P.S. This business about "the rest of us will be doing", well, THAT is just b.s. |
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03-16-2006 16:12
From: Gus Plisskin I'm glad you oppose favoritism. You also called for "dampening some people's exposure." How do you reconcile those statements? Read what I said again, Gus. If you have 3 people, and give them all the exposure, then no one else has any. If you give some other people some of that exposure instead, then those three people will have less. coco |
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03-16-2006 16:17
From: Yumi Murakami The thing is that on thinking a bit more logically about what Cory said earlier (and hopefully avoiding Starax's curse insodoing  ), actually gives a good economic situation in which a FIC can form: a) The market prefers to buy from people it's bought from before; and b) There's enough of those people to satisfy the market's entire demand. a) is pretty much natural for any consumer, so b) is all that can be done. So if LL are really trying to minimise FIC claims by not giving coverage to people accused of being FIC, that won't work. What they ideally need to do is bring in more demand. Unfortunately what they're actually doing is bringing in more supply ("come to SL and make money!"  which just creates more folks who arrive with that expectation, maybe make some inroads into the in-world market (which has plenty of spare demand) but then run headlong into the saturated market for official/external work and start throwing FIC allegations around out of frustration. So what I'm figuring is that anyone really determined to get into that market now is going to needto bring in their own demand. Ie, get good, but then not just wait to be noticed, but actually go sell yourself - and SL - to an external customer "over the heads" of LL. Yumi, while bringing in your own business is wonderful, the Developer's Directory already exists to give outside people (and the Lindens) a choice. And anyone can apply to it. coco |
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03-16-2006 16:18
the 'in the past' thats refered to is the singular event that created the thing folks are complaining about - I find that very funny.
People X developed whole sims.
1 (one) customer comes forward and says 'thats nice I would like a sim developed and can pay!'
People X get to develop sim.
Group Y screams favoritism.
Lindens create developers list.
Group Y screams 'in the past there was favoritism! - they got to do that because they are buddy buddys with Lindens'
Thats the cliff notes version.
Now consider:
Player X creates new thing.
There is a project that could use 'new thing'.
Do the lindens;
1) contact player x and say 'hey we like new thing... and we have a project that could use it!'
or
2) Put out a contest to 'replicate new thing'
In the above - there is no pleasing all of the people all of the time - but I think option 1) is the most effective and fairest.
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Siggy Romulus
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03-16-2006 16:20
From: Cocoanut Cookie
And P.S. This business about "the rest of us will be doing", well, THAT is just b.s.
Yah right  Whatever floats your boat Coco... I've shown how it went down - and you aint yet shown shit but to say 'well in the past.........' I've given specifics - you've offered theories.. which you can keep. If it makes you happy to buy into the BS - thats your biz.
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Cocoanut Cookie
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03-16-2006 16:29
You may have shown "how it went down," but I've got to say, I have no idea what you are talking about with that sim thing. Unless you are referring to Wells Fargo and Bedazzled.
Well, that issue has already been taken care of, with the new Developer's Directory. There are many other examples, though, one of them most recent - regarding that business of private islands and newbies - if I am understanding that right.
And if you want to decide that anyone who criticizes the system, or who wishes the system to proceed in a fair and equitable manner, must be simply a "non-doer," then that is your business.
As I said earlier, we are just talking at cross-purposes here. I'm not going to convince you, and you are not going to convince me. But I'm not going to tell you that is because you are a "non-doer," or any other such put-down. Which is patently and obviously untrue anyway, about both of us.
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03-16-2006 16:41
From: Cocoanut Cookie
And if you want to decide that anyone who criticizes the system, or who wishes the system to proceed in a fair and equitable manner, must be simply a "non-doer," then that is your business..
coco
This is not the case - I beleive that these folks created the market and were rewarded - and for future reference they created the directory. I think a majority of the naysayers overlook that the instances they cite were the creation of the opportunities.. they didn't get a job due to favoritism - but because they CREATED that opportunity for themselves.. and after that things were put into place in the event that these events happened again. I'm saying if you wish opportunities - create them - work and do. Following suite then bitching out the people that made that possible - thats lunacy. Folks saying 'well I may as well not bother because its all buddy buddy' are non-doers.. its eaiser to bitch than to go out and be innovative. And on the other hand you are saying that those who worked on said projects were 'favorites' or 'feted' - how is that different?
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03-16-2006 16:46
And I was not trying to decree a "witch hunt against the Fetid Inner Cult!". I was making obvious observations on human nature, and sociology. I was observing how it has manifested in Second Life.
Neither was I trying to lead a group with pitchforks and torches to the gates of Chateau de Linden to drag out whomever their entertaining to the public guillotine.
Personally, I am not endorsing either side or trying to defend either side. I do believe it is common sense that here, as in any other online community, there is an inner circle group consisting of veterans and others with more ties to the Lindens than others but as I said this may be innocently social and not spill over into business that much. To the degree it spills over would be what would make it an definite "FIC" or not.
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03-16-2006 16:48
From: Cory Edo In terms of strictly inworld businesses selling content to other residents, for every new resident the demand overall increases. If you're talking dev teams doing work for outside RL companies, how is it LL's responsibility to bring in demand? If you're a dev team, you're using SL as a platform, a tool. Its not up to the creators of the platform to find you business using their tool they make. Well, those customers make money for LL as well. The whole basis of the developer directory, it seems, is that LL would be referring external customers to developers. From: someone Where are you getting that the market for external work is saturated? If anything, there's a severe lack of development teams that can take on these types of projects. Again, look at the Developer's List - 14 individuals or teams all together. For a resident population of over 100,000, that's pretty paltry. But what was the last actual project of that type you heard of? The last I knew of is still Stagecoach Island - have there been more since then? |
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03-16-2006 18:00
From: Yumi Murakami Well, those customers make money for LL as well. The whole basis of the developer directory, it seems, is that LL would be referring external customers to developers. It's one of them, sure - inworld clients use the developer directory too - but any business that plans on only relying on another business to direct work to them is putting all their eggs in one basket. Especially a field as new as SL-as-development-platform. Actively searching out new markets and new consumers is a common aspect of any successful business. From: Yumi Murakami
But what was the last actual project of that type you heard of? The last I knew of is still Stagecoach Island - have there been more since then?
In development or in negotiation? Absolutely. And I'm certainly not in the loop on all of them, so I'm positive there's more than what I specifically know about. The reason the general populace doesn't hear about them are things like NDAs and the like - corporations don't advertise what they have in development unless it suits their purposes. There's also the project type that's intended for internal use by the company only, so the average person might not ever hear about it.
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03-16-2006 18:03
From: Cory Edo It's one of them, sure - inworld clients use the developer directory too - but any business that plans on only relying on another business to direct work to them is putting all their eggs in one basket. Especially a field as new as SL-as-development-platform. Actively searching out new markets and new consumers is a common aspect of any successful business.
In development or in negotiation? Absolutely. And I'm certainly not in the loop on all of them, so I'm positive there's more than what I specifically know about. The reason the general populace doesn't hear about them are things like NDAs and the like - corporations don't advertise what they have in development unless it suits their purposes. There's also the project type that's intended for internal use by the company only, so the average person might not ever hear about it. All together now!! Cory smelsl like cow poo. Cory smells like cow poo. Moo Moo Moo Moooo. Cory smells like pooooo. |
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03-16-2006 18:04
From: Starax Statosky All together now!!
Cory smelsl like cow poo. Cory smells like cow poo. Moo Moo Moo Moooo. Cory smells like pooooo. You've been talking to Ingrid again, haven't you. 
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03-16-2006 18:05
From: Cory Edo You've been talking to Ingrid again, haven't you. I looked in her profile and saw a peg on her nose. The rest was obvious. |
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03-16-2006 18:06
This is all your fault, Starax. If you'd just put on the chimp suit when I asked we could have derailed this thread pages ago.
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03-16-2006 18:08
From: Kim Anubis This is all your fault, Starax. If you'd just put on the chimp suit when I asked we could have derailed this thread pages ago. awww. that's so sweet. you said I need a suit to play the part. thank you, kim. |
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03-16-2006 18:23
Sorry. we're drifting off topic. Lets gently steer her back to the original topic.  |
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03-16-2006 18:23
From: Cocoanut Cookie And maybe she has more sense than you give her credit for, and isn't nearly as biased as you would hope. coco Shoe pinching you Coco? Then why did you try it on. And I think Jeska rocks, and I doubts she suffers fools gladly.
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03-16-2006 18:25
http://www.motostrada.com/fsmsc/You know, I think it's time to stick a fork in this and call it done.
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03-16-2006 18:27
I'll teach you how to insert an image one day. I just figured it out. I'm so pleased with myself. |
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03-16-2006 18:30
That would be very cool of you, Starax.
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03-16-2006 19:01
From: Surreal Farber Shoe pinching you Coco? Then why did you try it on.
And I think Jeska rocks, and I doubts she suffers fools gladly. Actually, I resent you calling me a fool. And I resent you speaking for her in that assessment as well. coco |
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03-16-2006 19:14
From: Cocoanut Cookie Actually, I resent you calling me a fool. And I resent you speaking for her in that assessment as well.
coco Yes coco, it's all about you. Paranoid much? This may come as a shock to you with your certainty that you are the center of the universe, but you are not the first person, not even the 301st I think of. You choose to identify yourself with general statements, then that's your choice, and your problem. Resent all you want... now go bite off.
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