Defining the FIC (Seriously)

Not at all, love. You're a better person to tell that story than I anyway.

The important thing I'm noticing is that the same process is repeating itself all the time now. Yeah, a good jumpstart is luck - things could have taken a much different path if you hadn't read that classified post - but 9 times out of 10 you make your own luck.

It was luck that I met Makaio. But it was his own insane skill and wild imagination that made me drop my jaw and beg him to work with me and eventually form Tiny Seadog. It was luck that our personalities and work style meshed so that our partnership was a good fit, but it was open communication and honest assessment of our particular skills and shortcomings that made us able to work as a unit. If anything, I feel like I got a chance to help someone more talented than I get a start in a field that he has an innate and natural skill for, and one of my long-term goals in SL is to do the same thing for others.

One thing I've discovered is that the names you hear referenced most frequently in conjunction with FIC are people who are thrilled to discover new talent and do everything they can to boost people to new levels. If anything, people like Ingrid actively go out and discover new talent and spread the word. Its more involvement than people who expect things to be handed to them bother to exert.

I'm not. I'm arguing against your constant accusations of people who are well deserving of getting opportunities for work in sl handed over to them on a silver platter only on the basis of them being fic. It's very, very insulting to those people and it minimizes the work and effort they have put into their craft.

Then you are misunderstanding me, Ingrid. The fact is, the Lindens did do it this way in the past - hand things to people because they were known quantities. And still sometimes do it this way.

It's not, and never has been, that those people aren't, in fact, talented and deserving.

It's that the process can't continue, the process of just dipping into the pool of quantities already known to the Lindens. Because there are others talented and deserving, too - but they can't become known (in this large game) without the equal opportunity processes.

coco

The people -you- view as arrogant, aren't against equal opportunity. We just think it already exists. (if it's any help, you can think me and others arrogant, I think most FIC shouters are childish hand-me-out demanders, so we're pretty much equal in thinking the otherside is nutty)

And no, you aren't just asking for a piece of the Linden pie when you and others complain about Kim's, Aimee's and Ingrid's pies.

coco.. look at Cory's join date. She's practically a newbie and she's on that list. If you're talking about "in the past" then let's leave it in the past. The equal opportunity processes everyone wants are in place. Cory is proof of that.

Coco,


Please for the love of shiny stop beating this poor horse. Did you read my post about Cory? The people that get noticed are the people that make themselves noticed. The Lindens can't go bouncing around the grid looking for talent (well Torley actually could), so they hold contests and talented people win (Didn't you win?). Then people that show dedication and a little professionalism, get work. It is not rocket science. The whining needs to stop about this. Nothing is fair, this isn't winning the spelling bee in 4th grade. Let. it. go.

Coco, I don't care if you think I'm being fair. I'm certainly not a government, so tough crap.

Now, Aimee did bring up something really interesting. I think "morale" is not the correct word or focus for what you're describing, Aimee. Would LL really avoid lining up an interview with someone (for example) because they've been playing flamey-flame on the forums or some kook got it into their head to make them the "star" of a ranty blog? I am certain that LL would want to avoid bad press. But I'm not sure fan sites, some kook's blog, and these forums count.

I make no such assumptions about anyone. But in the long run, complaining "It's unfair!" gets you nothing but carpal tunnel. People neither succeed nor fail in SL based on who their friends are.

Well I do wonder if Jeska ever walks into the break room at LL and say OMFG *insert name of frequent forum poster* is at it again, can I kill them please!! Just once, please!!

If not, then she is my nomination for sainthood. I contend that you can find her three miracles in these forums.

Yup and I was a friend of Zees. As was my wife. And you aint him Preferential treatment? Go look up on 'selling accounts'

Hehe just to really annoy - I've been approached several times but turned down due to lack of time - however I've always passed on a list of names of people who I thought would be able to do a good job.... a 'Siggy Inner Core? - SIC?'... Did I pass on a list based on folks that were my buddy buddys?

No I gave the names of people I thought could do what they wanted.

This subject bores me to death, mainly because people are incredibly stupid about it and refuse to believe anything besides some distorted version of reality where everyone is out to victimize everyone else.

/me considers buying Jeska some cool weapons, sitting back, and seeing what happens

Hey!! We could bring back the practice of dueling to resolve issues. Choose your weapons, Name your seconds, meet at dawn in the sandbox, settle your forum arguments that way.

In this thread, my money is on Kim. I bet she would be mean with a blade.

On the other hand, I wouldn't put it past LL to do exactly this kind of stuff.

It's a quick fix that doesn't really solve anything and that sounds very familiar.
Possibly I just like quoting sentences with the word "bum" in them

Neither do I care if you are rational or not.

coco

Which is, of course, my point. People shouldn't just be "approached" to do such things as make a sim, or create a new infohub, or whatever.

coco

And maybe she has more sense than you give her credit for, and isn't nearly as biased as you would hope.

coco

Well, that's obvious.

It could become a new sport in SL, the first person to build a Forum Grudge Arena would be able to sell ringside seats. I'd pay to watch.

Unless it's you? Thats what you're intoning from your previous post. And why not? I've been asked about things that I specifically make that noone else in SL makes... so why shouldn't I?

Would I go to a plumber to do my brickwork?

If I spent the time and effort to do something new and innovative - why shouldn't I be asked about it?

And this is certainly a different tune than you were singing a couple of weeks ago - where everyone WAS biased and one person in particular was getting 'special treatment'

Which is it?

Seriously - I give up - I've shown enough history to debunk your theories but you skim that and continue your flim flam dance... You're gonna beleive what you wanna beleive so I'm filing you in the same file as our good pal 'Eeyore'

Beleive what you like - the rest of us will be in world *doing* and if that offends your sensibilities - stiff shit.

I'm glad you oppose favoritism. You also called for "dampening some people's exposure." How do you reconcile those statements?

The thing is that on thinking a bit more logically about what Cory said earlier (and hopefully avoiding Starax's curse insodoing ), actually gives a good economic situation in which a FIC can form:

a) The market prefers to buy from people it's bought from before;
and b) There's enough of those people to satisfy the market's entire demand.

a) is pretty much natural for any consumer, so b) is all that can be done. So if LL are really trying to minimise FIC claims by not giving coverage to people accused of being FIC, that won't work. What they ideally need to do is bring in more demand. Unfortunately what they're actually doing is bringing in more supply ("come to SL and make money!" which just creates more folks who arrive with that expectation, maybe make some inroads into the in-world market (which has plenty of spare demand) but then run headlong into the saturated market for official/external work and start throwing FIC allegations around out of frustration.

So what I'm figuring is that anyone really determined to get into that market now is going to needto bring in their own demand. Ie, get good, but then not just wait to be noticed, but actually go sell yourself - and SL - to an external customer "over the heads" of LL.

In terms of strictly inworld businesses selling content to other residents, for every new resident the demand overall increases. If you're talking dev teams doing work for outside RL companies, how is it LL's responsibility to bring in demand? If you're a dev team, you're using SL as a platform, a tool. Its not up to the creators of the platform to find you business using their tool they make.



Where are you getting that the market for external work is saturated? If anything, there's a severe lack of development teams that can take on these types of projects. Again, look at the Developer's List - 14 individuals or teams all together. For a resident population of over 100,000, that's pretty paltry.

If anyone is coming to SL with the expectation that they're going to be snatched up and making buku bucks from day one, then that's their misconception. I've never seen LL making any assertation beyond you *can* make money - they never said how much or when or that it would be a cakewalk to do so.



Any business that's going to survive knows that. Its called marketing yourself and making business opportunities for yourself. Any business that lays about on its laurels and expects people to knock on their door looking to purchase their services is going to find themselves with a hell of a lot of downtime.